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Tiger4Lyfe

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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2019, 08:42:53 AM »

i dont think scheduling your own non-conference would work to well

i can imagine the phone call now...hello this is the athletic director at Aliquippa, we have an open date for football on Oct 4th, and we would like to  CLICK  hello?  hello?

good point, but Aliquippa has no issues getting McKinley Tech(DC) as long as Sheldon Colbert is coaching at Quip. He's been getting them to come up for awhile even when he was a youth coach, Lil Quips often opened with McKinley

Ultimately teams like Quip may have to play  out of state schools
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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2019, 12:22:43 AM »

Im probably missing something with this idea because it's late at night, but how about having a section (conference) for rebuilding teams in each classification without adding an extra section to each classification? For instance, if there are four AA sections, then keep four sections with only rebuilding teams in one of them.
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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2019, 06:57:25 AM »

Im probably missing something with this idea because it's late at night, but how about having a section (conference) for rebuilding teams in each classification without adding an extra section to each classification? For instance, if there are four AA sections, then keep four sections with only rebuilding teams in one of them.

Yeah but that defeats the purpose for travel purposes.  In Class A, would you have a section of Northgate, Bishop Canevin, Leechburg, Riverview, Avella, Mapletown?  Or Summit Academy, Valley, Frazier, Beth-Center, Ellwood City, Mohawk, Fort Cherry, Carlynton?   You're still all over the place

With teams playing within their classifications, it's almost impossible to avoid some of these blowouts.  Take Avella & Mapletown.  Where honestly could they play except their section?
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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2019, 07:47:39 AM »

I would make the rebuilding conferences priority number one because they are in need of much help, then make the usual geographical set up within the classifications as priority number two.
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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2019, 08:10:12 AM »

I think you really, really need to go and look at the current conference set up.  In some classes there are only 2 sections.  In 6a there is only 1.  Your plan in unfeasible.  It is not the WPIALs responsibility to get Yough or any other school "winnable" games.  Everything you have suggested is to benefit Yough.  You have not ever considered the effects this would have on other schools.  Please look at how your suggestions would impact others.  You can't complain about your travel expenses, then make a proposal that would force other schools into the same situation, for the sole purpose to alleviate yours
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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2019, 05:29:35 PM »

Only way to solve it would be to make complete and total open scheduling, come up with a points system to determine playoffs by class level. Essentially everybody plays an independent schedule.
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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2019, 10:17:39 PM »

It is a simple solve...go back to four classifications. You could almost use the Soccer conferences as a guide for each football league as well.  Then at end of season, just send the SIX teams with best records (or however you want to pick them) to the PIAA.  You would save  dying football programs in many school districts bringing back interest and lower expenses. We tried this six classifications and it does not work for WPIAL....Back to the Future time!!!
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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2019, 12:16:58 AM »

What about getting rid of 2 year schedules and redo them every season?  The following year schedule can be based off the previous year standings for the crossovers?  At least for the most part you're matching like opponents.  Should result mostly in competitive 4 quarter games. 

You'll know who you cross over with at the end of the season,  just wont know the dates at that point.  The only part which will likely not be fun is when a team has to play up a class since we have uneven numbers of conferences or teams in some of the classifications. 

Also, it'd be kind of nice to see some different teams and matchups.  Some new stadiums. 

I'm surprised we don't see more teams exploring play outside of District 7. West Shamokin didn't do too badly with it.  I'm surprised we don't see teams on the outskirts of the WPIAL decide there may be greener pasture in D-6, D-5 or D-10.
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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2019, 07:53:02 AM »

OSD,

It's not as easy as you make it sound.
For the past few years, Districts have made schools be "all in, or all out".
So, if a border school, say, Farrell, wanted to play football in the WPIAL but stay in D-10 for everything else, that's been shot down.
If, say, Altoona, wanted to play football in the WPIAL but stay in D-6 for everything else, that's been shot down (after trying it for a few years).
If, say, McDowell, wanted to play football in the WPIAL but stay in D-10 for everything else, that's been shot down (after trying it for a few years).
I don't see D-10, D-7, D-6, D-5 doing that anymore.  Perhaps, ONLY with the City League, which I'd expect to cease to exist within the next 5 years.

Sure, if you have an open week, or are willing to Albert Gallatin it, you can go look for schools to play from other districts/states.
But, with the League handling football scheduling (currently) from Week 1 to Week 9, what you're proposing ain't happenin'!

If the League goes back to scheduling ONLY the weeks necessary to complete section play, that's a different story.
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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2019, 02:46:20 PM »

I would think with the reduction/consolidation of AD positions, the independent scheduling thing could be a real challenge for some. Plus, the ADs would have nobody to blame it on once they had free reign. All that said, there are no doubt better ways to do it than present.
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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2019, 12:47:11 PM »

Also, on other threads and in other forums, there have been several people talking about WPIAL (and PIAA) reverting to 4 classes.

That's NOT happening, at least not on the PIAA level.

And before the WPIAL does it on their own, they better have a better handle on how far it is from Laurel to California, Beaver Falls to Uniontown, Southmoreland to Shenango, Carmichaels to Union and a whole bunch of other whack-oh matchups that the League's "computer" put together.


https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/high-school-football/2019/10/15/WPIAL-football-alignment-PIAA-regional-reduced-classifications/stories/201910150092
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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2019, 08:17:50 PM »

i dont think scheduling your own non-conference would work to well

i can imagine the phone call now...hello this is the athletic director at Aliquippa, we have an open date for football on Oct 4th, and we would like to  CLICK  hello?  hello?

Which is bogus.... The bulk of the schools across this country schedules their own out of conference/section games so why can't WPIAL schools? We're acting like the local schools here are the top schools of their size in the nation or something. Schools like Clairton and Aliquippa can and will be able to schedule 3-4 OOC games.
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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2019, 11:32:53 PM »

i dont think scheduling your own non-conference would work to well

i can imagine the phone call now...hello this is the athletic director at Aliquippa, we have an open date for football on Oct 4th, and we would like to  CLICK  hello?  hello?

Which is bogus.... The bulk of the schools across this country schedules their own out of conference/section games so why can't WPIAL schools? We're acting like the local schools here are the top schools of their size in the nation or something. Schools like Clairton and Aliquippa can and will be able to schedule 3-4 OOC games.

Teams like Clairton and the Quips would have no trouble getting teams to play them.  And with a little travel, they could really get some great games.  Which is better than pounding some poor WPIAL team 70-0. 
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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2019, 07:16:02 AM »

Isnít the current formula for out of conference out of classification games just based on enrollment? Like the largest school in 6A plays the largest in the 5A conference they cross over against?
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Re: Well educated men of the WPIAL.
« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2019, 07:31:00 AM »

Isnít the current formula for out of conference out of classification games just based on enrollment? Like the largest school in 6A plays the largest in the 5A conference they cross over against?

The WPIAL has stated they have a computer program that randomly picks the non conference games.  Why we get things like Uniontown vs Beaver Falls or TJ vs Connellsville.  Obviously they are parameters as they know the 2 AAA conferences will cross over but there is no thought in how they should cross over.
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