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BALDWINTRACK

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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #240 on: June 08, 2019, 05:33:03 PM »

Well immigration, much like abortion, is an issue that has been completely polarized.

The small minority of Americans are against any abortions. The small minority of Americans are for third trimester abortions. Yet those are the only laws youíre seeing passed in various states.

The small minority of Americans are for completely open borders. The small minority of Americans are for shutting off the border completely. Yet those seem to be the two policies getting the most attention.

For those of us who think rationally, both issues are maddening.
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BALDWINTRACK

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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #241 on: June 08, 2019, 07:50:01 PM »

Actually the more I read about this deal, it sounds too good to be true. If it is what it appears, and Mexico cooperates, this is exactly what people want. Immigration policy that makes sense. Still giving those who truly are seeking asylum an opportunity to eventually get it.

The media will spin this as the US forcing families to live in deplorable conditions in Mexico when the US should have an obligation to give them places to live, schools to attend, health insurance and other benefits. That is untrue. These people are willingly attempting to do something they know is illegal by entering the United States. The responsibility falls on the indivials who attempt to migrate. Not the United States or Mexican governments.
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #242 on: June 08, 2019, 09:12:10 PM »

I couldnít agree more with you on both of your post BT except just one opinion from me. I have not heard anybody stating that they are against all immigration but I continue to hear people say to stop the flood of illegal immigration. I also believe Congress needs to fix legal immigration and make it a faster process. No reason people should be waiting years and years to become legal citizens. Thatís just another thing Congress has no balls to fix!
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #243 on: June 08, 2019, 11:33:26 PM »

hs, the funny thing is all of us agree in kind about immigration and other things even though we may be on opposite sides of the debate.  Now if we all can have a rational discussion, why the hell can't these Dems and Republicans get their shit together and come up with something?
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« Reply #244 on: June 09, 2019, 09:33:06 PM »

hs, the funny thing is all of us agree in kind about immigration and other things even though we may be on opposite sides of the debate.  Now if we all can have a rational discussion, why the hell can't these Dems and Republicans get their shit together and come up with something?


I believe I said it in an earlier post but I truly believe Democratís and Republicans in Congress do not want to fix illegal immigration because it satisfies their interests. Businesses get to hire illegals cheap and Democrats want open borders and they think it will help them get more votes. Then trump comes in seeing this from the outside and throws a wrench in both of their systems. I also honestly believe trump does a lot of things because he believes it is good for the country and doesnít govern by polls
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #245 on: June 11, 2019, 05:27:01 AM »

hs good post    China is doing a infrastructure investment  Canada and Mexico are passing the USMCA.  Democrats in the house are bringing John Dean of all people in to testify   At some point the American people have to look and say that's it were voting you out 
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BALDWINTRACK

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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #246 on: June 11, 2019, 06:07:16 AM »

I’m fairly conservative in raising taxes on the wealthy but infrastructure is an exception. Multimillionaires and billionaires should foot the bill to fix roads, bridges, locks, dams, transit, rail, and anything else. They made their money from their products and employees using the infrastructure. They can at least pay to fix it.
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« Reply #247 on: June 11, 2019, 08:22:57 AM »

Iím fairly conservative in raising taxes on the wealthy but infrastructure is an exception. Multimillionaires and billionaires should foot the bill to fix roads, bridges, locks, dams, transit, rail, and anything else. They made their money from their products and employees using the infrastructure. They can at least pay to fix it.

I would agree with that to a point. Before anyone in our government says that taxes need raised on anybody to do infrastructure, I want some kind of audit done to fine out where all our money goes that we pay in gas taxes. You know, the money that is already supposed to go to fix roads and bridges. Our lovely governor here in PA is out in force again promoting raising more taxes on oil and gas to fix the infrastructure in PA when we have some of the highest gas taxes in the country! And what the governor isn't telling anybody is that these oil and gas companies almost always fix the roads, parks, etc. in the towns they are attached to
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #248 on: June 11, 2019, 06:29:13 PM »


I want some kind of audit done to fine out where all our money goes that we pay in gas taxes. You know, the money that is already supposed to go to fix roads and bridges.


There was a newspaper article about a month ago that stated that a very large amount of the gas taxes raised in PA goes to pay for the PA State Police budget, not the turnpike and other projects the funds were intended for.  It's been that way for years, through both parties in the Governors mansion.  The article was back to the argument about privatization of the turnpike, IIRC.  So better roads and bridges may mean less police protection.  Sounds like the gas (or some other) tax still needs raised to cover these expenses.  The monies probably need to go to the expense they were collected for, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the monies have been grifted.   
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #249 on: June 12, 2019, 10:12:37 AM »


I want some kind of audit done to fine out where all our money goes that we pay in gas taxes. You know, the money that is already supposed to go to fix roads and bridges.


There was a newspaper article about a month ago that stated that a very large amount of the gas taxes raised in PA goes to pay for the PA State Police budget, not the turnpike and other projects the funds were intended for.  It's been that way for years, through both parties in the Governors mansion.  The article was back to the argument about privatization of the turnpike, IIRC.  So better roads and bridges may mean less police protection.  Sounds like the gas (or some other) tax still needs raised to cover these expenses.  The monies probably need to go to the expense they were collected for, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the monies have been grifted.


I would have to assume that most states do this. They just can't help themselves when they see a pile of money sitting there. Most states are having pension trouble so I'm sure money is being funneled in from other places to pay for the pensions for police, teachers, etc.
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #250 on: June 14, 2019, 10:54:53 PM »

Probably giving him too much credit, but I swear that Trump says the half the stuff he does just to get a rise out of the media and the democrats so they are too busy reacting to his ridic statements to spend on other things :)
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #251 on: June 15, 2019, 08:41:13 AM »

I swear that Trump says the half the stuff he does just to get a rise out of the media and the democrats    100% correct  Hilarious

On a side note  I have friends who said they will never vote for Trump  They are about to lose their jobs  The three of 500 said if Trump saves their jobs (which is possible) they will vote for him.  He actually tweeted about the company they said   I don't follow his tweets

Cant wait to see his Tuesday announcement  Down in sunny Florida 
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #252 on: June 15, 2019, 02:40:54 PM »

A lot of the gas tax also pays pensions for bus drivers and mass transit workers across the state. I do not have any issue with this btw. Just another reason taxes on the ultra wealthy should fix infrastructure. People make millions and billions of dollars because their employees get to work safely and affordably on mass transit. My thoughts on wealth redistribution are that if itís being redistributed to people who want to work or people who canít work (the severely disabled) thatís great. If itís being sucked dry by people who donít want to work (which it inevitably does) then there are problems. That in a nutshell sums up the difference between socialism and populism.
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #253 on: June 18, 2019, 11:06:36 AM »

I still cannot fathom the media fascination with this new Legislator simply known as AOC. What has he done?  She just makes ridic statements that the media just eats up.  There are 435 members of Congress, many who have actually developed real legislation and work to get things enacted.  She has done zip, but every Sunday or one or more networks evening news, there she is spouting her rhetoric .  Secondly, I can't understand this support that Bernie is getting for trying to turn the USA into some European model of Socialism.  Don't people realize that everything we have in this country is the result of CAPTIALISM???  The thing that really irks me about Bernie is that he NEVER held a real job until he was in middle age and then it was an elected job in which he has lived the life of a millionaire ever since. Is he planning on giving up his 3 mansions and luxury cars? BTW, maybe the media and networks should look at 'journalism' in those socialistic countries. One news service and one broadcast outlet.   It just boggles my mind. :(
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #254 on: June 18, 2019, 12:47:58 PM »

I was very pleasantly surprised at the 7-2 decision to allow state charges to go forward after a federal conviction.  This really screws Paul Manafort as even if Trump pardons him, he'd still face the 16 New York counts.  What I was glad to see is the vote did not follow Conservative-Liberal lines.  The Justices voted their own mind.  Sort of strange to see Gorsuch and Bader-Ginsburg dissenting together.  Now that's an odd couple. 
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