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RyanHS93

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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #75 on: February 07, 2019, 06:44:09 PM »

Trump should just lay low and watch the Democrats implode themselves. The Green New Deal will do that  No more air travel and cars LOL  I was a registered Democrat before switching to Independent   So glad I did
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #76 on: February 07, 2019, 08:36:45 PM »

Even Nancy Pelosi is against The New Green Deal from what it seems. I wouldn't take that too seriously. Kind of like The Freedom Caucus on the right the Socialist wing is dangerous enough to swing or ruin votes but otherwise are just trying to draw attention to themselves.
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #77 on: February 08, 2019, 09:31:46 AM »

Have to see what happens but Potential Democratic Presidential Hopefuls support this. I think this turns potential voters away. The ideas I heard so far I believe will get Trump a 2nd term. Although some American people are lazy and may vote for this  I mean this plan will pay people if they're unwilling to work.

Possible Ivanka Trump runs for President in the future?  I can see it



 
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #78 on: February 08, 2019, 09:53:19 AM »

The democrats might get stuck to where anybody that could beat Trump canít win a primary.
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #79 on: February 08, 2019, 02:01:07 PM »

Have to see what happens but Potential Democratic Presidential Hopefuls support this. I think this turns potential voters away. The ideas I heard so far I believe will get Trump a 2nd term. Although some American people are lazy and may vote for this  I mean this plan will pay people if they're unwilling to work.

Possible Ivanka Trump runs for President in the future?  I can see it



Kamela Harris already came out in support of the Green Deal
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #80 on: February 08, 2019, 05:09:38 PM »

I feel like my feelings on Harris are pretty similar to how some feel about Trump. I think she hates me so I canít really even think about having any real dialogue about her.
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #81 on: February 08, 2019, 06:37:35 PM »

Overall, I don't think any of the youngsters would stand a chance against Trump.  He'd chew them up and spit them out.  The one candidate who would crush him in my opinion is Joe Biden. 
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2019, 07:44:17 AM »

Have to see what happens but Potential Democratic Presidential Hopefuls support this. I think this turns potential voters away.

Agreed. There are aspects of it that would align with the Paris Climate Agreement for instance that would still be and are popular, but the furthest out parts of this are pipe dreams, but if someone fully embraces them, they will be doomed (someone mentioned Harris for instance). As I said AOC is no thread to the Presidency...the right wing media has made her out to be the boogie man successfully, but in the scheme of things she is one in 435. Pelosi has proven to keep her troops in line as a whole.


I feel like my feelings on Harris are pretty similar to how some feel about Trump. I think she hates me so I canít really even think about having any real dialogue about her.
Haha. That is going to be her battle. I think that to some extent she has just been putting her finger in the wind these last 10 days or so and is seeing what sticks and is hoping that Americans prove again that they forget easily. On one hand, she looks and acts presidential, has many positive qualities that one would want from the leader of the free world, and seems like she would be tougher with world leaders than the current POTUS and his predecessor. However, she represents a very small piece of the pie in terms of her life experiences, and when she takes extreme Socialist positions she likely alienates an important portion of the Democratic parts as well as those in the middle that Dems would prefer to win back in 2020. She would not be an automatic loser, but she would hardly be an automatic win, either. I would like to see her on the debate stage and go from there. Regarding life experiences, it doesn't necessarily mean a lot to Republicans (Trump and the Bushes were trust fund babies), it has registered more to Democratic appeal (Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama being born middle to lower class and rising up; Richard Nixon is probably the last Republican to win his nomination...ironically, many in the field in 2016 that lost to Trump had the Clinton/Obama/Nixon qualities of moving up in the world, such as Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich). I'm not familiar enough with the rest of the Democratic field honestly to say if they have the next Clinton 41/Obama yet.


Overall, I don't think any of the youngsters would stand a chance against Trump.  He'd chew them up and spit them out.  The one candidate who would crush him in my opinion is Joe Biden. 
That's a tough one because for one "crush" is all relative (i.e. if we're talking a debate or anything intellectual, of course...I can just imagine Trump saying something untruthful, Biden laughing and explaining why Trump is wrong), but that doesn't necessarily win elections. Just time warp back to 2008 Biden vs Palin in their one debate, and some were turned off by Biden seemingly bullying Palin, although anyone who watched with an open mind realized that Biden went easy on her in what was a total intellectual mismatch.
With that said, even if we are talking electoral maps, keep in mind that Trump wins probably 140 electoral votes even if he came out a month before the election and said that "if reelected I will personally urinate in your breakfast cereal and poison your kid's school milk," so we're talking about swinging a few states per usual, barring the Dems going with a racist white evangelical male farmer as their nominee. If the goal is to win back the rust belt (Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania) then Biden seems like a logical choice. Remember, as bad as election night 2016 went for Hillary, she literally just needs to flip MI/WI/PA, three states that she lost by a combined 77,000 votes, and she's currently in her third year as POTUS. He maybe helps swings states like Ohio, Iowa, and Missouri back into play, but IMO all three definitely are trending redder and redder. That could go either way of course. The appeal to Obama, though, and presumably someone like, say, Kamala Harris, is the multi-cultural coalition that elected the 44th POTUS. Someone to excite the younger voters, the African American voters, etc. Hillary Clinton obviously did not do that, and while Biden is generally more liked and likeable, getting the voters out has always been a problem on the left, and as 2016 proved, Trump's heel power alone is not necessarily enough to get generic Democrat elected (although two years of Trump was enough to convince voters to flip the House). Biden unfortunately may be that generic Democrat, though, while Harris may be more exciting. Very tough to say, but I can rationalize either way why Biden would be anywhere from a great to a mediocre candidate. I will also say that I am not one of those who will say that "Biden beats Trump in 2016" or "Bernie beats Trump in 2016." Almost anyone short of Barrack Obama himself running for the third term, or maybe a celebrity to counter the GOP's celebrity to keep with the outside theme (Oprah) wins for the Dems. Otherwise, the Trump victory 2016 was bound to happen, period. 2018/2020 was/will be all about backlash vs Trump vs support for Trump.

And speaking of Bernie, IMO if nominated he is the only automatic loss at this point because he is a Socialist with a track record. If nominated I would concede 4 more years to Trump.
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #83 on: February 09, 2019, 08:25:40 AM »

Harris is a radical. She has no shot. Much the same with Warren and Booker.
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #84 on: February 11, 2019, 10:23:59 AM »

Klobuchar enters the race as well yesterday.

She's on the more moderate end and stands a much better chance if Biden does not enter. If Biden enters as discussed above he's probably the instant favorite.
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #85 on: February 11, 2019, 11:43:32 AM »

Klobuchar is definitely a threat to Trump if she gets through. I think her and Sherriís Brown both could beat Trump but doubt either gets enough traction to win their primary.
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #86 on: February 11, 2019, 07:52:23 PM »

Brown said he could beat Trump  Actually if Trump wins Florida can anyone beat him?

I'm not for/against the wall but  Is anyone else sick of these politicians  I mean they cant get a deal done on a simple wall that is being built now in San Diego and Texas. Also if Trump plays the long game spending cuts of 55 billion will take place something the Democrats will not want. He will get his money at some point 
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #87 on: February 12, 2019, 09:23:24 AM »

Brown said he could beat Trump  Actually if Trump wins Florida can anyone beat him?

If the Dem were to win Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania and not lose any states that Hillary won they would win back the White House without Ohio or Florida. (If my math was right the other day...not looking at an electoral map right now)
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #88 on: February 13, 2019, 09:37:02 AM »

Yes Correct  I think you mentioned that in a earlier post  It would put him/her at 280?  Call me crazy but I think Trump will pick up Minnesota and Nevada.
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Re: Forgetting or ignoring history
« Reply #89 on: February 13, 2019, 12:49:41 PM »

Well sure. "If" is the operative word. There are certainly states that can swing either way.
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