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BALDWINTRACK

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Re: Politics Changed Forever?
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2018, 03:45:50 PM »

Ya they donít have a winning message at this point. Whatís funny is if they piggyback his economic nationalism stuff Iím pretty confident they can go as left as they want on other issues and beat him. I donít think they are smart enough to do that.
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yannessa_is_god

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Re: Politics Changed Forever?
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2018, 01:57:45 PM »

1. Regarding the Russian Interference, absolutely that is a problem. Which beggs the question, what is with the right's embrace of Russia? This isn't one of those "Ronnie Reagan would be spinning in his grave" situations (which he is) but that is almost an understatement at this point. If George W. Bush or Barrack Obama were dead they would be turning in their graves...the change has been that stark. I just don't get the brainwash on the right right now. Agreed on your point of the Chinese being a possible adversary, but I'm sure that the Dems would actually denounce it. The Dems over the past two years have stood much more for governance IMO than the current GOP Senate and House. They would call for and authorize sanctions in that situation no doubt.

2. Indians87, I wouldn't say shoe-in, but yes he would be the favorite at least. And yes BT economic message is difficult when the economy is good or at least the perception is good. For better or worse, Americans have always had more recency bias when economies take years to fix or screw up (just look at the era of Reagan thru Obama in terms of blame and praise and everywhere in between). So whether Trump or Obama deserves credit for the current economy (the answer is both) fans of either side is not going to give the other a fair shake, but those in the middle tend to lean with recency bias. But long story short, the only way that Trump is not the GOP nominee in 2020 is if he dies (in which case Pence will be the nominee). The party is way way way in the direction of being "Trump's party" that there is no way that he could get primaried by someone like John Kasich (too willing to cross the aisle) or Jeff Flake (not tough enough or harsh enough), etc. It is incredible to think that Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush were both favorites as recently as 26-28 months ago to win the Republican nomination. In a general election, it would have to basically turn into a pro-Trump vs. anti-Trump vote (which is never healthy, no matter how bad the President or person is), which would make it a coin-flip again. The left has more energy right now than they did in 2016, but I'm not sure how many purple, pink, and light blue states that impacts. It may impact enough, but then again it may not.

3. Someone a few posts ago mentioned an election fraud situation. It absolutely happens both ways, but again, there's only one side trumpeting "rigged." I am all for harsh punishments though for said fraud and am happy that those scumbags in Texas were caught. What I would like to see from the GOP though is more humility from their alleged criminals also regarding campaign and election fraud (Duncan Hunter in CA comes to mind, or someone like Roy Moore or Rebecca Johnson in Kentucky taking the low road and crying "rigged" as instant unsubstantiated claims just because they lost). Again, news goes both ways...it is up to us as the people to actually read it and not just stay in our own echo chambers.
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Re: Politics Changed Forever?
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2018, 10:11:46 PM »

My view on Russia is they are up to one thing. They want to disrupt our alligence with Europe. They donít actually care about America one way or another. They just donít want military bases in their backyard and our complete devotion to defending Europe at any cost. I donít necessarily think we shouldnít try to appease them to some degree because I donít think being allied to France, England and Germany has ever done us a bit of good. The only reason we are is antiquated, peace after the world wars and some sort of made up protectorate role that in my opinion way too many Americans buy into. So do I think we can be allies with Russia? Not necessarily. But I donít think we should treat them any differently than we do a France or Germany. Iím of the same opinion with Iran or Israel as well, donít think there is a ďrightĒ side to take and completely confused how anybody thinks either side is right.

Economics are fascinating to me. I am probably very liberal domestically. Iím for higher taxes and stricter banking regulations. I actually like the corporate tax cuts and feel they should stick forever but with no reciprocation towards personal income tax or capital gains taxes, they arenít sustainable. In basic terms, lowering corporate taxes and raising capital gains taxes or high end personal incomes would incentivize investing in people or materials rather than to stash it away with corporate buy backs, which were illegal for a long time, or bonuses.

Iím completely opposite when it comes to economics dealing with the rest of the world. Iím protectionist, all for using tariffs and sanctions to bully and generally wary of anything ďoff shoreĒ

Needless to say Iím both in line with and completely against both parties.
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Re: Politics Changed Forever?
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2018, 10:56:55 AM »

In a perfect world, sure, but in reality Germany and France are not in violation of human rights the way that Russia or Syria or North Korea are.

Just like this Saudi Arabia story. It would be one thing to continue the arms deal but publicly condemn what occurred and let Congress impose sanctions (that would be good business and arguably ok politics), but it is all together another to take the King and Crowned Prince at their word. Especially because the story has changed!!! (first it was "what disappearance?" now it is "he died in our consulate but we didn't do it" without providing the body for an autopsy, etc.) I don't care if you like or dislike this journalist etc but anything short of at the very least condemning the actions is not doing the right thing, period. What is happening is making the US look corrupt and weak. This doesn't even take into consideration the arms deals and the Yemen conflict, etc. Of course [like Syria] it is a slightly confusing situation unless one is very well read on it from all sides. But even taking that out of the equation, there is nothing wrong with condemning one who deserves condemnation.

Bending over and taking it is not diplomacy. It is bending over and taking it. Which no US President WWII or beyond has ever done with the only exception arguably being Carter.
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Re: Politics Changed Forever?
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2018, 07:07:46 PM »

You look at it from a far different perspective than me. Countries we have considered allies over multiple administrations and different political parties have been screwing us over. China, France, Germany, Canada, Mexico. People are appalled by the way Trump has spoken and acted toward them. By people I mean probably the majority of Americans. Saudi Arabia is a country who gives us as much as we give them. They hold oil prices to a reasonable rate, they provide us defense contracts, that they actually pay for etc. I refuse to let their human rights record determine how we treat a country. Im sorry but this reporters death is insignificant to the day to day life of me, you and anybody else here. Just like how Putin treats his minorities. Im not a fan of Trump on a number of levels. But his world view is a breath of fresh air to me.
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Re: Politics Changed Forever?
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2018, 09:42:51 AM »

It just amazes me that when ever the President makes an appointment...with in MINUTES there are mass protests with signs already marching around.

Secondly, so, the Dems have control of the House..what is their plan to govern America? Oh, right..impeach Trump and Kanaugh
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Re: Politics Changed Forever?
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2018, 08:35:46 PM »

Kavanaugh absolutely should be impeached. I hope this is the first thing they do.
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Re: Politics Changed Forever?
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2018, 09:44:05 PM »

It just amazes me that when ever the President makes an appointment...with in MINUTES there are mass protests with signs already marching around.

Secondly, so, the Dems have control of the House..what is their plan to govern America? Oh, right..impeach Trump and Kanaugh

I would understand your outrage over the outrage of Liberals if this were a normal Presidency with normal run in the mill appointments, but there is nothing usual on run in the mill about this current President and many of his appointments, including this one. Even the likes of Alberto Gonzalez  (George W. Bush's AG, hardly a liberal) questions the qualifications of this guy, and there are questions of whether his appointment is even legal.  We never saw this stuff or hardly ever saw these kind of antics from any other President.
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Re: Politics Changed Forever?
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2019, 10:17:22 AM »

Am I wrong, or is the mainstream media pretty much creating and letting three radical first year Congress electees run or become the face of the Democratic Party? The each only represent a very small and 'exclusive' bloc of voters. Why is it that everything these 3 say is put out on national tv, no matter how stupid or inflamatory their words maybe.  Is American that ad off that we need to turn to Communism and radical Islam for guidance?
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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2019, 10:55:13 AM »

If you're talking about Omar, that has been the discussion, fair and balanced, from just about every portion of the media aside from the Islamophobe "Judge Janine."

The discussion has simply been:
1. Is being anti-Israel being "anti-Semetic?"
2. Should Omar (or Steven King on the other side) be stripped of their committees?
3. To your point are the freshman representarives the future of the party or not?
4. Was Liz Cheney right on her recent controversal "no" vote?

And honestly, all three of those points have fair debate arguments both ways. My simple answers would be no, yes, probably, and in context, no with an argument for yes, but there are good discussions to be had. Also, context does not even do my quick summary justice (i.e. Omar, while her Israel comments IMO were not anti-Semetic out of context, she has made other comments that certainly paint her to be anti-Semetic).

I don't see a media problem here. This Omar story has been pretty fairly covered as a whole. Last Sunday's politics shows were giving her more coverage than Trump (which has been rare for the past 2+ years). Even the others on Fox News aside from Janine Pirro (sp?) has been overall fair and discussion invoking.
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Re: Politics Changed Forever?
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2019, 11:46:12 AM »

Regarding the Democratic Party's direction/future, IF the Sanders/AOC wing is the future, then they need to drop "Socialist" from their titles, even if they are masquerading as a non-Socialist i.e. Elizabeth Warren. While European/Canadian Socialism is much much much much much different from the Communism that we grew up hating or the Venezuelan Socialism that Trump falsely likened the Dems to at the SOTU last month, the older generation as well as the uneducated or unread (on this issue) has a difficult time understanding the difference. Anyone with "Socialism" in their title or party affiliation etc will not win a national election any time soon unless the economy is in shambles, which it will probably not be in 2020.

Regarding Ocasio-Cortez to her credit I liken her to Trump in that we in general hold her to a different standard.

The Cohen hearing last week said it all. For any normal President ever, those hearings would have been the most damning testimony of their tenure, including Nixon and Clinton. But, as SNL made fun of, for Trump is was simply "a Wednesday." Ocasio-Cortez at those same hearings had her best performance since being sworn in, but honestly just did her job (which admittedly the same cannot be said for Jim Jordan). With that said someone just doing his or her job reasonably well (a POTUS making a non-political statement to heal the nation, or a congressman or woman asking fair and well researched questions at a hearing) is only news because they are not always making the news for the right reasons.
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Re: Politics Changed Forever?
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2019, 07:29:57 PM »

Being anti-Semitic and anti-Israel arenít the same. Itís a real conversation that desperately needs to happen for clarity sake.
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Re: Politics Changed Forever?
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2019, 08:45:19 PM »

Coach  Yes    AOC is a complete moron  I cant believe anyone supports her or the other two 
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Re: Politics Changed Forever?
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2019, 06:15:52 AM »

So Beto O' Rourke announced he is running now and the media is fawning all over him. Not bad to announce your gonna run for president and the media won't say one bad thing about you. I haven't heard him take a stand on one solid thing yet. He is just a walking megaphone of political bullet points. He is also on the AOC bandwagon on that we need the Green Deal and if we don't we are going to die in 12 years.

Only thing I know about him is his main accomplishment is almost beating Ted Cruz but failed and being involved in a DUI hit and run that almost killed a man and he personally wants to tear down the border wall
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Re: Politics Changed Forever?
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2019, 11:19:53 AM »

Beto is kind of running in the 2008 Barrack Obama lane so to speak. If you listened to his speech Thursday it did invoke Obama/Reagan/Kennedy in terms of inspiring rhetoric (upbeat in a "yes we can" way, but dark in a "here is where we are" way). Of course yes substance is huge as well, and I agree hs he is probably a bit too general. Assessing/comparing his record will be interesting (as a liberal from conservative Texas) but like some of the younger ones his record is not as extensive as, say, Biden or Hillary or Sherrod Brown. With all of that said record isn't everything, either (Klobuchar, perceived as a centrist, is actually to the voting left of Obama; Brown, as appealing as he is to so of Trump's base, including a majority of Ohioans, is probably further to the left than anyone else on voting record, including Bernie/Warren/etc). One thing appealing to some about Beto is he, like Trump, does not like speaking from script, and in the eyes of his fans does his best when not using notes. He is not the frontrunner, but he is a wild card more so than, say, Booker or Buttiegeg (sp?).

Regarding AOC, while her voice is important, she is too much like Trump in her lack of grasp on almost everything. A lot of rhetoric (she is a whistleblower more so than anything, which again is good and important) but like Trump not much factual substance and very few good and doable resolutions to problems or perceived problems. I am with you guys in hoping that she is not "the future" of American politics. Bernie at least has experience, for what that's worth.
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