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Author Topic: Monessen/Clairton Brawl  (Read 1953 times)

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Re: Monessen/Clairton Brawl
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2018, 08:53:01 AM »

So the 4 o clock starts are the only difference? Seems pretty insignificant. Not like the gates are that great to cost them tons of money.  The wpial imposed an almost unenforceable penalty with the tickets. Since football was already on probation, are they now on double secret probation?
Seems like lots of tough talk. Thatís all. Business as usual.
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Re: Monessen/Clairton Brawl
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2018, 10:56:35 AM »

So Bob, the only difference is the 4 p.m. start for Clairton for the next two years, which is ridiculous. This occurred in front of the Monessen bench, so the Monessen players basically had nowhere to go;  but the Clairton bench cleared and the Clairton fans stormed the floor, yet the team penalties are basically the same. Had the Clairton bench not cleared and the Clairton fans not stormed the floor, the coaches and refs would have separated the two players, they would have been ejected and that would have been it. To deny the Monessen fans the opportunity to obtain playoff tickets is absurd. Perhaps the most ridiculous thing, which is not something that is included in the sanctions, is the fact that Clairton refuses to identify the adult male fan that came out of their bleachers and basically assaulted Monessen #2. Monessen wants to press charges against the individual. This is a small town, everyone knows everyone else and to say that some random fan, that no one knows, went onto the floor and attacked a high school junior is ludicrous. Clairton says that no one associated with the team, the school, or the Clairton Police Department can identify this person. I hope that Monessen continues to pursue identifying this person and then demonstrate that Clairton does know who this individual is. Rumor has it that the man is actually the parent / guardian of Clairton"s #10, the. player that threw the first punch. If that is true, I hope it can be proven.

From your post it also seems like Monessen will get a lower seed than deserved to keep the teams on different sides of the brackets. Monessen is the only single A team that did not lose a section game; so adjust Clairton placement to put them on the opposite side of the bracket.
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Re: Monessen/Clairton Brawl
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2018, 11:10:00 AM »

I think ALL the punishment should go to Clairton.  That would send a bigger message than the WPIAL taking the easy way out and hitting them both the same. It was totally Clairton's fault and the home team needs to control their fans. Clairton should have been removed from the playoffs.  The only thing they care about in Clairton is sports.
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Re: Monessen/Clairton Brawl
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2018, 11:42:12 AM »

The Clairton fan opinions that have shown up online suggest they think the WPIAL is setting them up to fail so they can throw them out of the WPIAL.  Someone also posted this isnít fair for the younger kids who werenít there and for the other programs that had nothing to do with this. 
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Re: Monessen/Clairton Brawl
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2018, 11:55:18 AM »

to be honest, a 5 yr probation will put this on a 5th grader who probably wasn't even there.  This whole thing is ludicrous.  No suspensions, no sanctions, no forfeits. group that is hurt the most are the old die-hard  monessen fans who can't go to a playoff game, now. 

WPIAL is the equivalent of a lazy parent... yell up the stairs to your kids to knock it off, or " I'll come up there".  Knowing full well they're not ever going to walk up the steps and handle the situation.  censuring coaches and putting schools on "probation" is a pretend punishment.

WPIAL is hoping desperately no one notices they are toothless
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Re: Monessen/Clairton Brawl
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2018, 12:20:23 PM »

Does anyone know how many of the past five years that Clairton has been on probation? To me, it seems that during that time, that there are more years when they were on probation or a team or coach was sanctioned than years when they were not. Of course these penalties are not fair to younger players or other sports teams, but the wpial doesn't do what is fair. If they did then Monessen would not be subject to the same sanctions as Clairton. It's always a $#*! show at Clairton home games.  Never adequate security and when they are losing on their home floor their fans get hostile. That is what happened in this situation. Their attitude is, if they don't win the game, they will win the fight. It will never change until Clairton starts to take some responsibility and stops playing the victim.
I find it interesting that a basically distressed school district has the funds for a media specialist, who was very quick to put out their "We are deeply saddened. .. damage control statement;  however they won't take responsibility for the incident and won't identify the individual that I referenced in my previous post.  It's always that everyone is out to get them.

My understanding is that Monessen will appeal. They are also requesting more information on what would constitute a probation violation because everything is very vague.
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Re: Monessen/Clairton Brawl
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2018, 12:21:09 PM »

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From your post it also seems like Monessen will get a lower seed than deserved to keep the teams on different sides of the brackets. Monessen is the only single A team that did not lose a section game; so adjust Clairton placement to put them on the opposite side of the bracket.
I don't think Monessen's seed is going to be anything but #1, top seed.

But most "pundits" have Clairton as the #4 team in Class 1A.  That should be a meeting with #1 in the semifinals.
The stories are saying that Clairton is on the opposite side of the bracket from Monessen.

So, who got moved into the Monessen half of the bracket to move #4 to the other half?
If it's #6, #7, no problem for Clairton but not fair to #2 or #3 since one of them will have to play #4 instead of #6 or #7 in the QUARTERS.
If it's #2 or #3 that got moved to the Monessen side, that's not fair to Monessen, giving the Greyhounds a higher seed in the semis (#2 or #3) than they should face (#4).  And, it's an unfair BENEFIT to the other team in the Clairton half of the bracket where they could face #4 instead of #2 or #3.

Bracket manipulation to achieve a desired end is NOT appropriate.  If Monessen is #1 and Clairton is #4, they should play in the semifinals.  If you have to rent a gym and allow NO ONE in to achieve security, so be it!
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Re: Monessen/Clairton Brawl
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2018, 12:36:08 PM »

I bet Vincentian is #1, Monessen #2, Union #3, Clairton #4.

Remember Vincentian beat Monessen head to head earlier this year.
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Re: Monessen/Clairton Brawl
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2018, 12:45:43 PM »

wpialbb---that would deal with several issues....
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Re: Monessen/Clairton Brawl
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2018, 12:47:43 PM »

That's true Vincentian did beat a short-handed Monessen. But vincentian also has a section loss. I agree with Bob about manipulating the brackets, but moving Monessen to #2 may be the easiest solution. And the wpial has clearly demonstrated that they do what is easy not what is correct.
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Re: Monessen/Clairton Brawl
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2018, 12:51:06 PM »

That's true Vincentian did beat a short-handed Monessen. But vincentian also has a section loss. I agree with Bob about manipulating the brackets, but moving Monessen to #2 may be the easiest solution. And the wpial has clearly demonstrated that they do what is easy not what is correct.

If the WPIAL used the power rating system the other 11 districts use instead of the old men in the room, this would be a non factor.  If the two teams ended up meeting, they could just take appropriate security steps.  There is no way brackets should be manipulated.  That screws teams that don't deserve it. 
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Re: Monessen/Clairton Brawl
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2018, 10:13:47 AM »

What a shame all of this was. I think it is pretty simple. Watch the video's or film and discipline everyone who was wrong. I think that the fans caused the biggest problem with them coming onto the court and getting involved in the altercations. Any fan who does that should be ban from all WPIAL events for a certain amount of time. As a society we need to hold people accountable for their actions and not make excuses.
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