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Title: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on August 09, 2019, 05:38:59 PM
To me the biggest story of the season is can Ben prove himself correct by winning the AFC North calling whatever plays he wants to.

For the entirety of Todd Haleyís tenure they made the playoffs. When Ben handpicked his OC they immediately missed them.

For whatever reason the local fans and media have completely ignored this. So maybe Iím crazy and there is no correlation. Think we will learn more this season.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on August 09, 2019, 11:12:53 PM
FWIW, agree with you.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on August 09, 2019, 11:21:42 PM
The first half zipped along in a hour, but the 2nd half was ugly with all the subs, flags, challenges, reviews.

Thought all the qbs looked good, poised under center and in the pocket for Dobbs and Rudolph, but Hodges worked only from the shotgun. Washington made really nice catches with his hands. Boswell made all his kicks, right down the middle.

I was interested to see how Buggs did at DT and he was (good) noticeable. Layne looked overmatched. Bush and Barron were around the ball, but they both seemed not completely in sync.

Arians is an a$$.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Downriver on August 10, 2019, 02:45:13 PM
As a Steeler fan I'm so glad Antonio Brown is the Raiders problem now.  They saved 50 mil and got two draft picks and all the Raiders got was his bad attitude and the possibility he'll never suit up for them.  I'm loving this.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: emm8 on August 10, 2019, 03:26:09 PM
As a Steeler fan I'm so glad Antonio Brown is the Raiders problem now.  They saved 50 mil and got two draft picks and all the Raiders got was his bad attitude and the possibility he'll never suit up for them.  I'm loving this.

I get the sentiment, but until we see how good (or bad) the Steeler passing/receiving game turns out to be, I'll reserve judgement for now; but yes, the subtraction of the drama is refreshing.  How much of that drama is contrived for the "Hardknocks" promotion; or just his personal publicity machine, also is undecipherable at this point in time.  Time may tell.

The Raiders new brain trust of Gruden and GM Mayock (the NFL Network supposed combine genius) were made out to have fleeced the Steeler brass in the trade.  Time WILL tell on that front too.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on August 10, 2019, 03:44:22 PM
Also Iím not defending Todd Haley. More defending anybody who may be qualified to be an NFL offensive coordinator and that is not a handpicked stooge by BR himself.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on August 10, 2019, 04:14:45 PM
BR has gotten his way with his preferred OC, Fichtner, who will let him do what he wants. BR wanted to be the ringmaster of the offense and now he is. If the offense flops, that's on BR. Madden had a ridiculous column in the Trib the other day pinning the success of the entire season on Chris Boswell. The season doesn't ride on the PK, the defense or STs, it's strictly on the shoulders of the guy who wanted his way and got it. He will have to put up or shut up.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on August 10, 2019, 06:46:22 PM
If anybody is upset that the Steelers got rid of AB and donít forget about Bell, the question that needs to be asked is what did they win with them here and the answer is nothing so use that money you are saving and resign players and move up in the draft and get players like Bush

I also think that if the Steelers disappoint this year a lot of the blame will have to go to Ben. He has gotten everything he wants with this offense and if they falter, he will have no excuses. I also think it would be smart for Tomlin to tell Ben no more Tuesday show on the Fan with Cook!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KernKraft400 on August 10, 2019, 08:19:56 PM
Midseason form here in the PSB.  Blaming an entire season that hasn't started yet on Ben. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on August 10, 2019, 09:04:35 PM
Well itís a lot more insightful than reading newspaper columns blaming things on a kicker.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Downriver on August 10, 2019, 11:16:46 PM
Midseason form here in the PSB.  Blaming an entire season that hasn't started yet on Ben.

 ;D ;D ;D Yeah, but that's what makes the PSB unique!!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on August 11, 2019, 07:57:17 AM
Can't speak for hs, but BR spent most of Haley's tenure trying to undermine him because BR was unhappy his buddy Arians got fired. This despite changes that kept BR upright and are at least partly the reason BR's career is still going. Now BR can run his preferred style of offense, passing most of the time and ignoring the run. If the offense sputters, no excuses accepted.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on August 11, 2019, 03:32:49 PM
Steeler WR coach Darryl Drake passed away unexpectedly at age 62.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on August 11, 2019, 04:44:12 PM
Very sad news regarding Coach Drake. My thoughts and prayers are with his family.

Regarding Ben vs Haley vs Ben and Fichtner, I'm not as concerned about that as I am no Munchak. I think that if the offense fails this season, it will be a downgrade at OL coach more so than being removed from a supposed downgrade in play callers. I actually personally liked Haley's offense as well, but he obviously isn't the highest regarded around the league, either, as he is currently unemployed after his disastrous tenure in Cleveland where the offense immediately improved considerably under his successor.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on August 12, 2019, 06:59:45 PM
I expect Ben to want to prove something this year after the drama last year and Brown and Bell leaving. So I wouldn't be shocked if he has a big year, I also wouldn't be shocked if he threw 25 interceptions, could go either way. I like the RB trio but they still haven't replaced Bell's receiving yards, and probably wont but Connor as the workhorse and Samuels catching balls should work well again  . They really need Vance McDonald to stay healthy and be  there as a checkdown option, he's the only TE on the roster that can be a threat after  he catches the ball.

Expecting a much improved defense with Shazier finally being replaced and for some of these younger secondary guys like Davis, Sutton, Hilton, etc I'm hoping they have good seasons. It's time for Davis to take the next step and become one of the better safeties in the league or it's time to scout his replacement. Burns' seems to be done.... in PGH at least
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 05, 2019, 01:18:41 PM
Not Steelers related, but I am sure they are laughing:

The Oakland Raiders are set to suspend Antonio Brown after getting into a blow-up with GM, Mike Mayock on Wednesday. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 05, 2019, 06:25:45 PM
Not Steelers related, but I am sure they are laughing:

The Oakland Raiders are set to suspend Antonio Brown after getting into a blow-up with GM, Mike Mayock on Wednesday.


If I had any money I would put some on the Raiders releasing AB before the season is over and them saying he violated a morals clause in his contract and AB not getting or having to return his guaranteed money
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 05, 2019, 07:02:32 PM
He obviously doesnít want to play for them, or maybe he even doesnít want to play period.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 05, 2019, 07:28:20 PM
I hope that he does not get released. You just know that either the Patriots or Browns would sign him probably for the veteran's minimum (especially New England) and he would come back to haunt the Steelers. With that said I could see him being a cancer/poison on Cleveland. Belichick however would not allow that.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Downriver on September 05, 2019, 11:46:35 PM
He may have screwed himself big time.  So far the Raiders haven't paid him a cent and he's already out a half million because he didn't meet the training camp requirements in his contract.  Throw in another chunk from the $54,000 in fines and he's losing more.

That being said, fines should be the least of Brown's worries right now and that's because he's now facing a team suspension. If the Raiders go that route, there's a chance that Brown could end up seeing the rest of his guaranteed money voided, which means he'd lose out on $29.625 million after already losing out on $500,000. Once the money is voided, the Raiders could theoretically cut him without taking any sort of salary cap hit.

The Raiders have basically been dealing with Brown's drama since the day he arrived in Oakland, and it's starting to feel like the only way this drama is going to end is if the team gets rid of him.

Given his history in Pittsburgh and now Oakland, teams would be nuts to offer him any huge contract.  He's proven to be pure poison.

Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on September 06, 2019, 11:17:38 AM
I have said a number of times that AB is suffering from the brain disorder that has effected a number of other players.  When they autopsy his brain, they will find evidence of it.  He is going thru a sort early onset.  IMHO
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 06, 2019, 02:43:00 PM
In another twist to the sage, Brown apologized to the team today and apparently will be playing on Monday Night.

My opinion is that Gruden wants Brown playing while Mayock probably wanted a suspension and it is clear that Gruden is running things. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 06, 2019, 05:27:36 PM
Gruden is making $10 million/year so yes that makes sense.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 07, 2019, 10:19:31 AM
I canít keep up with all the twists:

AB YouTube page released a video/commercial where he played apparent recordings he had with Gruden.

The Raiders then fined Brown and voided his guarantees.

Brown posted on the Instagram for the Raiders to release him. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 07, 2019, 10:20:38 AM
He has played his last NFL game.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Downriver on September 07, 2019, 11:16:09 AM
This is great.  Those two draft picks the Steelers got are looking better every day!!  Anyone that signs AB once he is released is not going to give him a huge contract without all kind of clauses.  It's absolutely amazing how stupid some of these athletes can be.  If someone wanted to pay me 30 mil and all I had to do was keep my mouth shut and play, I'd be there in a heartbeat!!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 07, 2019, 11:36:45 AM
Exactly! Just Dwayne Bowe it (earn the big contract then play poorly) if nothing else.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 07, 2019, 12:05:07 PM
The Raiders have released Antonio Brown. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: emm8 on September 07, 2019, 01:32:54 PM
The Raiders have released Antonio Brown.

He probably made the decision early on that the Raiders weren't very good, and could force his way out to free agency.  He may have to take a little less $, and less guaranteed $, but he'll play again.

That said, I do believe he'll be one of the guys you read about 10 years after retiring that's down and out, and got nothing but troubles and unpaid bills.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Downriver on September 07, 2019, 01:39:43 PM
Was just watching some of the talking heads and Pete Prisco asked several GM's if they'd sign AB and they laughed at him.  It's starting to look like anyone that is even considering it will only go one year with nothing guaranteed.  Given his antics that go back to 2012 with the Steelers after they gave him his first big contract, looks like he's finally screwed himself permanently.   
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 07, 2019, 01:44:25 PM
Emm8,

I in no way think that AB was playing 4th dimensional chess with the Raiders, much like the conspiracy theorists who felt that he orchestrated the trade out of PGH just for the guaranteed money. In no universe can I imagine an athlete throwing away $30 million guaranteed money.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 07, 2019, 01:53:07 PM
I also think he doesnít want to practice, go to meetings or be involved in any sort of organized team functions besides playing in games. So that would also make him that much more of a long shot to go anywhere.

He keeps jabbering about how his talent outshines any system. To me that means he in no way wants to conform to any team and only wants to show up on Sunday.

He might get signed but I doubt it. And do t tho k heís playing in a game ever again.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 07, 2019, 03:47:00 PM
Watch AB end up in NE.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 07, 2019, 03:57:20 PM
Watch AB end up in NE.

Agreed. He is still a ridiculous talent he will play somewhere.

Good thing though he is ineligible for Week 1 at this point so the fear of him playing tomorrow night vs Steelers at least will not be realized
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on September 07, 2019, 04:53:54 PM
I don't think the NE coach jputs up with idiots.  And, you know AB would just disrupt his successful system.  No team will take him and he will file a collusion lawsuit..let hid move his act to Canada.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 07, 2019, 05:11:42 PM
Patriots signs Brown to 1 year deal.

1 year deal up to 15 million and 9 million guaranteed. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 07, 2019, 05:50:25 PM
I don't think the NE coach jputs up with idiots.  And, you know AB would just disrupt his successful system.  No team will take him and he will file a collusion lawsuit..let hid move his act to Canada.

Part of his schtick is putting up with (and correcting behaviors) of idiots. Especially at WR.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 07, 2019, 05:55:10 PM
Also, one reason that I called this a few days ago is that Antonio Brown is actually one of the hardest workers in the entire league. That in part is why this past 5 weeks in Oakland has seemed out of character. Brown's "character issues" have been more personal as well as social media related.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bftigers on September 07, 2019, 06:24:50 PM
He has played his last NFL game.

This post above aged well.....
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Downriver on September 07, 2019, 06:26:59 PM
He has played his last NFL game.

This post above aged well.....

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 07, 2019, 07:33:19 PM
He has played his last NFL game.

This post above aged well.....

Lol
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 08, 2019, 07:31:37 PM
I guess you can take it with a grain of salt since they were playing Miami but the Ravens looked a lot better than I thought they would.

Browns looked just awful today as they got their doors blown off by Tennessee

Bengals lost a close one to the Seahawks. They looked like a middle of the road team IMO. Theyíll win some games and probably sneak up on some teams but Iím not expecting too much from them
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 08, 2019, 09:01:39 PM
As expected, Brady slicing and dicing the Steelers despite a patchwork OL and no Gronkowski. Future HoF qb on the other side looks clueless. TOP NE 11:30, Pgh 6:30.

As usual, the 10 minutes of playing time the "starters" get in preseason is coming back to bite the Steelers.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 08, 2019, 09:28:40 PM
Stop me if you heard this before but Steelers getting embarrassed in New England.  Offense looks tentative and running pitches like crazy.

No pressure on Brady and defense getting eaten up by play action. 

NE 17
Pitt 0
2nd Quarter

Steelers need to score here in the last 4 minutes.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 08, 2019, 09:33:17 PM
BR has 37 yards passing. LOL! Can't wait to hear Madden defend this jabroni on his show tomorrow.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 08, 2019, 09:43:39 PM
Dropped pass by Montcrief on 4th and 1 gives NE a shirt field and Steelers canít get off the field on 3rd down again. 

Only leads to a FG thankfully.

NE 20
Pittsburgh 0

Offense looks lost without AB as JuJu is being smothered and nobody else is open.  Running game is struggling. Defense is getting carved up on crossing routes and play action with guys open all over the field. 

Plus Pats get AB starting tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 08, 2019, 10:02:08 PM
The offense is entirely BR's responsibility. He got the OC he wanted, he helped usher AB out the door and now BR owns it 100%. And our 6'5" 240lb qb still can't bring himself to run a qb sneak on 4th and 1 behind his all-pros C and RG.

But, frankly, I am tired of the NFL sending the Steelers up to NE to be the sacrificial lambs the 1st game of the season.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 08, 2019, 10:03:23 PM
We have a James Washington sighting on a deep pass.  Then Montcrief drops a TD. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 08, 2019, 10:16:24 PM
Brady 58 yard TD pass to another wide open receiver.   

Different year, same story in NE.  They own Pittsburgh.  Brady could play against this defense in his sleep.  Still waiting for him to throw a pick in NE against the Steelers.

And again, this team gets AB tomorrow. 

NE 27
Pittsburgh 3
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 08, 2019, 10:28:02 PM
This is only the 3rd time in 18 seasons the Steelers have played at NE in week 1. Thatís a pretty week excuse.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 08, 2019, 10:30:06 PM
Secondary still getting torched as another deep ball Gordon.  He makes a tough catch while Montcrief is dropping balls on 4th down and in the end zone. Patriots are just dominating in every fashion.

Patriots play Miami next week.  We may get get a record point spread in that one.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 08, 2019, 10:48:12 PM
Ben proving to be a big zero without AB. Meanwhile Brady completes passes to guys Belichek brings in off the street 5 minutes before game time.

When your offense manages to score a whooping 3 pts and can't sustain a drive, the defense is not really to blame.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 08, 2019, 10:59:08 PM
This is only the 3rd time in 18 seasons the Steelers have played at NE in week 1. Thatís a pretty week excuse.

Steelers opened in NE in 2002, after NE won 2001 season SB, in 2015 after NE won 2014 season SB, 2019 after NE won the 2018 season SB. So for 3 of NE's 6 championships, the Steelers have had to open the season in Foxboro.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 08, 2019, 10:59:36 PM
Ben proving to be a big zero without AB. Meanwhile Brady completes passes to guys Belichek brings in off the street 5 minutes before game time.

When your offense manages to score a whooping 3 pts and can't sustain a drive, the defense is not really to blame.

Plenty of blame to go around for everyone.  Steelers lost again on defense as they bit on play action and canít stop crossing routes. Brady has also had wide open receivers which kind of makes things a bit easier.  Also Brady does have Edelman and Gordon (who is a Great WR when not getting busted for weed).

Steelers offense has been timid and no clue what they are trying with the running game. Montcrief canít catch a football and JuJu has been handled.  Nothing from the TE as Chung has shit down McDonald.

Coaching has been bad as the apparently have no desire on running on short distance. 

Also Ben won 2 Super Bowls without AB so he is more than a 0 without him. 

This is just an ugly game that canít be blamed on one person, no matter how much he is hated. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 08, 2019, 11:00:41 PM
This is only the 3rd time in 18 seasons the Steelers have played at NE in week 1. Thatís a pretty week excuse.

Steelers opened in NE in 2002, after NE won 2001 season SB, in 2015 after NE won 2014 season SB, 2019 after NE won the 2018 season SB. So for 3 of NE's 6 championships, the Steelers have had to open the season in Foxboro.

Itís all about ratings and Steelers draw ratings. Of the 8 home games they played obviously Steelers game was most attractive.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on September 08, 2019, 11:07:41 PM
Excuse me..did I miss something?  Are all the Steeler running backs hurt of something? I have not seen any runnning formations.
BTW..if you want to know why Brady is the top QB and Ben is not.  When NE is on defense..Brady is on sideline talking to a coach..looking at  pictures...studying the game. Ben stands like a wooden Indian..alone not talking to anyone. Sick of watching Tomlin just staring at the field, too.  DO SOMETHING!!!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 08, 2019, 11:36:50 PM
Honestly, there is nothing Tomlin can do about BR. BR was already established when Tomlin arrived as a 35 yr old head coach. Worse, the Rooneys and Colbert believed, and still believe, BR is a "franchise qb". Were Tomlin to get into a power struggle with BR, he would lose as the Rooneys and Colbert would side with BR. BR has friends in the media like Mark Madden who will do his dirty work for him dissing whoever needs to be dissed in order for BR to be absolved of blame when things go bad, too. IMHO, this is how he got rid of Haley, lots of whispers into friendly media ears.

Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 09, 2019, 04:50:48 AM
Don't forget how bad the defense plays. Probably about time to start talking about Keith Butler and what he is doing as a defensive coordinator. Everything I have heard was saying that this defense got the speed they needed and Brady just torched them

Only the first game but man did the Steelers look bad!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 09, 2019, 06:40:31 AM
Iím not certain AB will play yet. He still has to go to practice and other team functions. Avoid posting anything dumb on social media. Donít underestimate him.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 09, 2019, 07:44:31 AM
Iím not certain AB will play yet. He still has to go to practice and other team functions. Avoid posting anything dumb on social media. Donít underestimate him.


The funny thing is as what was said earlier, the Patriots look like they don't even need AB after that first game. Gordon, Dorsett and Edellman looked really good last night and they even have White and Burkhead that are good receivers out of the backfield. Maybe AB will see this and he will realize after a game or two that he is not the first option for this team and then start his antics all over again. I doubt he will be quiet and just be happy to be on a championship caliber team. We all know he is in it for his stats and not for the team 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 09, 2019, 07:48:44 AM
Excuse me..did I miss something?  Are all the Steeler running backs hurt of something? I have not seen any runnning formations.
BTW..if you want to know why Brady is the top QB and Ben is not.  When NE is on defense..Brady is on sideline talking to a coach..looking at  pictures...studying the game. Ben stands like a wooden Indian..alone not talking to anyone. Sick of watching Tomlin just staring at the field, too.  DO SOMETHING!!!


Couldn't agree more with this. I brought this up a few seasons ago and got torched by a few people but you see this every game from these two. And when you see the Steelers finally make a good play then you'll see Tomlin jumping up and down screaming at everyone. He's a ra ra coach that should be a defensive coordinator and not a head coach IMO
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 09, 2019, 08:55:53 AM
I think that everyone is melting down a bit to much. The Steelers stink in Foxboro even with their best of teams. As for last night I think that NWE played a really really good game even for them. Week 2 vs. Seattle will tell us more.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 09, 2019, 09:27:52 AM
I think that everyone is melting down a bit to much. The Steelers stink in Foxboro even with their best of teams. As for last night I think that NWE played a really really good game even for them. Week 2 vs. Seattle will tell us more.

16 other fan bases across the country are also melting down after week 1 and 16 others think the are winning the Super Bowl.  Got to love Monday morning after Week 1. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 09, 2019, 11:23:20 AM
Ron Cook was possibly the only person in North America who thought the Steelers would win. The loss wasn't particulary surprising on any level if truth be told.

The Steelers have a philosophy not to play their starters for any amount of meaningful snaps in the preseason. Basically, that's a month without playing. No matter how much a team tries to simulate game conditions in practice, it's just no substitute for playing. Invariably the Steelers struggle the first couple of games because of it. I think this season, especially because there are high expectations for the team, it would have made sense for the starters to see more action if only for BR to become better accustomed to his receivers and them to him. Also because they were opening in NE. To me, a good chunk of the disjointedness was a result of the rust a player gathers from not playing.

I think the success or failure of the Steelers rests on how the defense plays because the offense will struggle. BR isn't able to make average or less receivers look great ala Brady and neither he nor Fichtner have the patience to establish a running game.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 09, 2019, 11:33:08 AM
Ron Cook was possibly the only person in North America who thought the Steelers would win. The loss wasn't particulary surprising on any level if truth be told.

The Steelers have a philosophy not to play their starters for any amount of meaningful snaps in the preseason. Basically, that's a month without playing. No matter how much a team tries to simulate game conditions in practice, it's just no substitute for playing. Invariably the Steelers struggle the first couple of games because of it. I think this season, especially because there are high expectations for the team, it would have made sense for the starters to see more action if only for BR to become better accustomed to his receivers and them to him. Also because they were opening in NE. To me, a good chunk of the disjointedness was a result of the rust a player gathers from not playing.

I think the success or failure of the Steelers rests on how the defense plays because the offense will struggle. BR isn't able to make average or less receivers look great ala Brady and neither he nor Fichtner have the patience to establish a running game.


I saw a lot of people picking the Steelers to win and they were using the excuse of New England typically starts out slow because they also don't play their starters in the pre season. IMO, the Steelers were just not ready to play. They were outcoached and outmatched in every phase of the game
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 09, 2019, 11:54:26 AM
To BFfan, New England doesn't play their starters nor do the Rams, and those were the two Superbowl teams last season, so while you may be onto something, there is also a prevailing thought that preseason is totally useless. LA and New England both were fine yesterday as well.

Regarding people picking the Steelers, way too many people are overestimating "addition by subtraction" regarding no AB/no Bell. Like it or not, AB is a supremely talented WR and almost certainly the best Steelers WR of all time. Of course they miss his talent. Will the "subtraction" help them? Possibly some...a good locker room is a good thing, but remember, Brown had some friends in that locker room also. The thought that he is an a-hole a'la Ryan Leaf or Tom Barrasso is just a narrative that really is not true.

I actually DO still like the Steelers to win 10 or 11, and that would get them into the playoffs. But that's more along the lines of focusing on winning the games that they can. Like it or not they were not going into Foxboro on banner raising night and winning that game with Belichick essentially having MONTHS to prepare.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 09, 2019, 12:22:19 PM
Steelers grade Dobbs to Jags for 5th round pick.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: emm8 on September 09, 2019, 01:10:46 PM

We have a James Washington sighting on a deep pass.


Someone please explain to me how Washington doesn't score on this long catch.  After the catch, he takes 2 and 1/2 steps toward the goal line and then veers right (without any contact).  He had a 2 yard lead on the guy who was covering him, and the help over the top appears to have him measured to knock him out of bounds; but the guy took the wrong angle and was burned.  It appears Washington just went out to avoid the contact that wasn't going to happen.  Al Michaels is even praising Washington's speed as he makes the catch, and then..."exit stage right!"  I rewound it a few times last night, and then checked it again before posting today.  ?WTF?  ???

https://www.steelers.com/video/highlight-roethlisberger-hits-washington-in-stride
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 09, 2019, 04:06:53 PM
Steelers grade Dobbs to Jags for 5th round pick.

Really, Colbert should retire. You have a team pretty desperate for a qb and all you can get is a 5th round pick?
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 09, 2019, 07:22:52 PM
What would you expect for Dobbs? Seriously?

Just because the other GM is desperate doesn't mean that the other gm is a total idiot.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 09, 2019, 08:32:35 PM
Then maybe you don't make the trade. It's week 1, lots of things can happen, just like Foles getting hurt in the first game. You really want to see Devlin whatshisname behind center in a real game? No other team even thought enough of him to sign him to a practice squad. Colbert strikes again!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 09, 2019, 09:47:24 PM
The 3rd string QB doesnít matter. Your season is over if heís playing significant time.

Youíre not getting much value trading a 3rd stringer to a team that plans on using him as a backup.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bftigers on September 10, 2019, 11:34:19 AM
The 3rd string QB doesnít matter. Your season is over if heís playing significant time.

Youíre not getting much value trading a 3rd stringer to a team that plans on using him as a backup.

My gosh, I could not agree more.  If Ben goes down, Mason might be able to win a game or two, but the season would be over.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 10, 2019, 05:30:53 PM
I think thereís value to having a good backup. But there isnít value in the 3rd string. So essentially if you have a 3rd string QB with value to another franchise, that 5th round pick means more than holding onto a guy in case your top two QBs get injured.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 10, 2019, 09:29:42 PM
Newest AB twist: a former trainer has come forward with rape accusations. 

Again, BaldwinTrack could be right as we still have 5 more days to Sunday.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 11, 2019, 07:24:23 AM
Not making light of this at all. But with AB you just never can be too certain.

I hope for the sake of everybody involved that this isnít true but those text messages that came out are vile. Itís pretty disturbing that one human would talk to another like that even if there was no other action.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 11, 2019, 08:59:49 AM
Again, BaldwinTrack could be right as we still have 5 more days to Sunday.

haha...that's what all of us in PSB land are really watching out for.

Although keeping in mind a suspension doesn't mean that he never plays again, either. Also keep in mind that this is a Civil suit, so jail time is probably out of the question unless different charges are brought separately.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 12, 2019, 07:46:17 AM
I'm sure this will be settled out of court just like his past couple scrapes with the law were. Like the throwing of furniture of a balcony in Florida.

Goodell needs to put him on the exempt list and then the NFL needs to drag their feet on the investigation
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 12, 2019, 07:55:57 AM
Goodell needs to put him on the exempt list and then the NFL needs to drag their feet on the investigation

That's what I'm hoping for. The NFL generally does take these kinds of things seriously.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 12, 2019, 08:44:03 AM
Remember BR also had two allegations against him. Although he was suspended for 6, later reduced to 4 games at the request of the Rooneys, he seems to have survived that ordeal just fine in the eyes of most Steeler fans.

Don't know if the allegations against AB are true or not, but that this is a civil and not a criminal lawsuit, it makes me wonder if a settlement isn't the actual goal.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 12, 2019, 08:54:32 AM
RIP Sammy Davis, G on those great Steeler teams of the 70s. I went to a lot of games back then and enjoyed watching the OL/DL through my binoculars. That OL of Brown/Mullins/Webster/Davis/Kolb was the greatest ever in Steeler history, imho. They Steelers mostly run and passed blocked with just those 5. Bradshaw had plenty of time to look for Swan or Stallworth. Harris and Bleier found lots of holes, too.

I still remember the SB vs Dallas where Davis singlehandedly shut down Randy White, the Cowboy equivalent to Joe Green, and the tackles took care of Too Tall Jones for their part.

It's a shame Davis suffered a TBI from a serious fall that robbed him of a better retirement life.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 12:42:55 PM
CB Haden is active so hopefully we don't have to watch DK Metcalf smoke Artie all day

C Pouncey also active
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 15, 2019, 02:09:23 PM
Not sure if the Steelers just have an unusually bad group of WRs, they are still in a funk because their coach died unexpectedly, the plays/routes are poorly designed, they have no rapport with BR or what, but they sure cannot get open.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 15, 2019, 02:12:45 PM
AB catches a touchdown pass from Brady

He has 4 catches for 56 yards so far
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 02:17:57 PM
Not sure if the Steelers just have an unusually bad group of WRs, they are still in a funk because their coach died unexpectedly, the plays/routes are poorly designed, they have no rapport with BR or what, but they sure cannot get open.

when he does find one they drop it. Moncrief last week and Johnson dropped 1 already today.

looks like Ben + JuJu starting to get going
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 02:26:21 PM
lol these refs need to chill a bit, that's 2 really petty penalties I've seen called.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 02:28:52 PM
Barron looked really slow on that 30 yard grab by #17 Turner
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on September 15, 2019, 02:30:59 PM
Are the Steelers still going to go with their no running back offense that was so good at NE?
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 15, 2019, 02:54:15 PM
Ben is out. Mason Rudolph is in. Ben has what looks like an elbow injury?
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 03:25:36 PM
FOX couldn't find a play where he hit his elbow so maybe it's tendinitis or something
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 03:31:48 PM
Rudolph to McDonald 8yd TD. 2pc NO GOOD

Seahawks 21
Steelers 19 11:16 left
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 03:50:44 PM
Defense hasn't looked good in the 2nd half at all. Especially the secondary + Barron

Seahawks 28
Steelers 19

Moncrief's career in PGH probably over, hasn't came back in game since his dropped pass led to interception. 5 drops, AB had 3 drops in 15 games last year
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 15, 2019, 03:53:42 PM
Terrible reversal on the non-PI, but Dupree probably should've been called for a late hit/hit to the helmet on Wilson on the same play.

What happened to Sean Davis that Kelly's playing?

I think BR's had elbow problems for a few years now, but he and the medical staff likely have up until now been able to manage it. While he can still zip a ball in there when needed, I don't that goes for the majority of his throws anymore.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 03:55:41 PM
really wish Bush got that TD ;D

Down at 1 yard line
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 15, 2019, 03:57:06 PM
Is Washington playing?

The problem with the defense is the scheme, not the players. If the Steelers would just return to a 4-3. they could stuff the run and pressure the qb with any combo of Tuitt/Heyward/Hargrave/Alualu/McCullers/Buggs. The LBs could easily cover TEs/RBs with Bush/Watt/Barron. The secondary would take care of itself.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 04:00:29 PM
Rudolph to McDonald 1yd Td

Seahawks 28
Steelers 26 5:34
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 15, 2019, 04:05:50 PM
WR corps looks better with Montcrief and Switzer on the bench.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 04:07:10 PM
Is Washington playing?

The problem with the defense is the scheme, not the players. If the Steelers would just return to a 4-3. they could stuff the run and pressure the qb with any combo of Tuitt/Heyward/Hargrave/Alualu/McCullers/Buggs. The LBs could easily cover TEs/RBs with Bush/Watt/Barron. The secondary would take care of itself.

I think it's conditioning, Barron has been on the field a lot due to Williams injury, don't got an excuse for Edmunds, they looked good early in game and were making these plays in first half. Home opener, lots of hype, lot to make up for in wk1, maybe they spent themselves  Maybe they getting a 2nd wind after Bush gave them a boost

or Carrol & co. just made great adjustments

They have seven first round picks on this D and every one was either drafted or signed (Haden and Barron) to play specifically in this scheme.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 15, 2019, 04:09:14 PM
Regardless, it's not a good defensive scheme.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 04:21:02 PM
Regardless, it's not a good defensive scheme.

well I wouldn't count on it changing anytime soon. Colbert's betting on this scheme when he drafts guys like Watt, Tuitt, Dupree, Heyward, Bush, and signs guys like Barron. Watt is not his brother, he's a LB, not a hand in the dirt DE or a LB like JJ. Heyward and Tuitt are 3-4 DEs point blank and wouldn't produce 10 sacks each as DTs, neither are fast enough to keep contain and seal off the edge as 4-3 DEs in this 2019 version of the NFL . You play 4-3, Barron is what? a safety?
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 15, 2019, 04:23:02 PM
WR corps looks better with Montcrief and Switzer on the bench.


I will be shocked if Moncrief plays for the Steelers again.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 15, 2019, 04:58:43 PM
hs, watching Rudolph's presser, I'm looking at him thinking "who does he remind me of?". Then it hit me, it's Sidney Crosby! He looks enough like Sid, they could be brothers.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 15, 2019, 05:06:09 PM
hs, watching Rudolph's presser, I'm looking at him thinking "who does he remind me of?". Then it hit me, it's Sidney Crosby! He looks enough like Sid, they could be brothers.

LOL. I'll have to watch highlights tonight when I get home

I can't wait to hear the Monday morning talk radio shows on how Rudolph should be starting and forget about Ben. We have an honest to goodness QB controversy in PGH!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 15, 2019, 05:36:41 PM
T4L, Tomlin is a 4-3 guy. He learned that from Dungy, who learned it from his time with the 70's Steelers.

But Tomlin has never been able to have that defensive scheme in Pittsburgh since the day he was hired. When he came he still had Smith, Hampton, Hoke, Kiesel - all of them great 3-4 defensive linemen and great players behind them. And he inherited LeBeau who he couldn't have fired then even had Tomlin wanted it. Because of LeBeau, Colbert kept drafting players to fit that 3-4 scheme. Unfortunately, drafting as late as the Steelers usually do, replacements simply were not the same caliber and more comprehensive scouting has denied them the under-the-radar players like Smith and Kiesel. So they continue to play a 3-4 with lesser players. They can keep drafting DBs, but the problem is with the deployment of the front 7.

In the Steeler scheme, you are asking Watt and Dupree to be DEs putting both at a disadvantage against larger OTs. This allows a TE or RB to chip one of Watt or Dupree and leaves the Gs and C free to handle whichever 2 DL are in the game. Then you are asking the 2 ILBs to cover from sideline to sideline and having to bring the hybrid safety closer to the line of scrimmage, leaving the middle manned only by the free safety.

I love Heyward and Tuitt. They are really good players and would easily fit as 4-3 DEs. I like Hargrave, McCullers and Buggs as 4-3 DTs. Alualu is a fine back up 4-3 DE. Set up those 6 in a rotation, then your LBs are Watt, Bush, Williams, Barron. Sub out Williams and they never have to leave the field. The LBs are fast enough to cover the dump offs, sweeps, etc, leaving the DBs to concentrate on coverage.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 15, 2019, 05:41:46 PM
Watching BR shaking his elbow, it took me back to the end of Bradshaw's career when his elbow was giving out. I just wonder if this isn't the beginning of the end of for him.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 15, 2019, 06:55:16 PM
Watching BR shaking his elbow, it took me back to the end of Bradshaw's career when his elbow was giving out. I just wonder if this isn't the beginning of the end of for him.

Letís hope. I will be able to cheer for the Steelers again if it is. My hatred of him has made it impossible to root for the Steelers for a long time. I despise him.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 15, 2019, 07:03:33 PM
Steelers got a good chance to go 0-3 as they now have to travel out west and play the 49ers who are looking pretty good right now
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: quitter on September 15, 2019, 08:56:43 PM


Letís hope. I will be able to cheer for the Steelers again if it is. My hatred of him has made it impossible to root for the Steelers for a long time. I despise him.
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I agree. But he has to take Tom Bradley with him
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 16, 2019, 03:46:39 AM
Interesting tidbit from a Trib game story:

Quote
Rudolph bemoaned the lack of practice reps he got as a rookie, a function of NFL practice restrictions that typically limit two quarterbacks to getting the vast majority of the practice time. That made Rudolph embrace the first practice of this past week all the more as Roethlisberger took a ďveteran day off,Ē leaving Rudolph with the majority of the reps.

It showed. Teammates marveled at Rudolphís attention to detail, grasp of the playbook and demeanor in commanding a huddle at age 24 and with no prior regular-season experience.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 16, 2019, 07:04:29 AM
The fluidity of the offense was noticeably improved when they were running the plays that were actually being called.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 16, 2019, 09:49:58 AM
I agree with you on that. Rudolph played a lot in preseason, too. You could see he had established a rapport with the receivers. While Dionte Johnson let a pass from BR go through his hands, he made a terrific one-handed grab for Rudolph. I'd suspect things like that come from being familiar with the qb and how his passes come in and qb knowing the wrs. Except for JuJu, the wrs are all new to BR. It might have helped the offense if he'd have played more in preseason so they got used to each other.

JMO, but after 15 years, BR is set in his ways. He wants plays that let him do what he wants to do, which is throw downfield a lot. Rudolph can and will run the entire playbook. For ex, the middle screen TD to McDonald was a great play call that was perfectly executed.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 16, 2019, 12:05:01 PM
Ben done for the year with season ending elbow surgery.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 16, 2019, 12:35:03 PM
Ben done for the year with season ending elbow surgery.


I think Rudolph is going to shock quite a few people and be a lot better than people think at least he is going to be a lot better than Bridgewater is going to be for the Saints
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 16, 2019, 01:22:13 PM
Ben done for the year with season ending elbow surgery.

Just like Bradshaw. His career is over.

Gotta wonder if Colbert will try to re-acquire Dobbs from Jax. I'm sure if he does, Jax will demand a lot more than a 5th round draft choice.

Forgot about Landry Jones. He's probably the best bet to bring back as back up QB since he already knows the system and many of the players on offense. It would give the Steelers two Oklahoma boys OU and Okla State.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 16, 2019, 04:40:36 PM
I think Rudolph is an upgrade at this point. The offense did nothing for 6 quarters then moved quite efficiently in the second half yesterday.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 16, 2019, 05:55:50 PM
Agreed on Landry Jones being a reasonable backup option for that reason alone (he knows the offense). Otherwise I would like to see a veteran backup brought in just in case (Matt Cassel or Colin Kaepernick or Brock Osweiller or Tom Savage etc).
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 16, 2019, 07:00:04 PM
I believe I heard Pompeani say that BR was hurt in the NE game, but he/the team was "managing" the pain. Yet on the Monday/Tuesday following the NE game, Colbert trades Dobbs to Jax. You have a 37 yr old qb who has a potentially serious elbow injury that you are already - in week 1 - "managing", you have a back up qb who has never taken a snap in a regular season NFL game and you trade away your 3rd string qb, who at least knows the system and has some NFL regular season experience. Then you sign a 6' qb who has never even played under center and was at home on his couch eating nachos, to the practice squad.  ::)
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on September 16, 2019, 07:50:20 PM
Agreed on Landry Jones being a reasonable backup option for that reason alone (he knows the offense). Otherwise I would like to see a veteran backup brought in just in case (Matt Cassel or Colin Kaepernick or Brock Osweiller or Tom Savage etc).
Landry has signed a contract to play in that new football league and will not be available at any rate. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 16, 2019, 08:43:25 PM
This Sunday is my personal favorite game on the NFL schedule and it only happens once every 4 years (currently) and that is 49ers vs Steelers. 

A little backstory before getting to the game.  I have been a 49ers fan for as long as I can remember and that seems weird to people since I grew up in Western PA from the moment I took my first breath (born in Mt Pleasant and have lived in Fayette County my whole life).  Everyone in my family and 99% of my friends are all Steeler fans.  How I became a 49er fan is by chance.  My parents are divorced and as kids, my sister and I would spend alternating weekends at my dad's house.  It happened we were there for Super Bowl XXIII.  I kind of understood football and knew people screamed at the TV a lot during it, but I was 7 years old and didn't know I was supposed to be a Steeler fan.  That Super Bowl was the first game I ever watched and my dad decided to make a beat with me for fun and took the Bengals.  That gave me the 49ers and that's how it all began for me as a fan.  Had my dad taken the 49ers, I may have become a Bengals fan.  Instead I became a 49ers fan and obviously it was very easy in the late 80s and throughout the 90s.  They would lose so infrequently that I remember crying when they would lose a televised game I could watch.   There were on TV a lot for a team based out of California, but we obviously got Steeler games every week.  When things went south I obviously stayed a fan and have stayed a fan through all the ups and downs.  The funny thing is I also grew to like the Steelers and root for them every week except once week every 4 years.  That week is upon us and oh man, do things look drastically different that what everyone was expecting. 

A little history lesson as, much like yannessa_is_god, I like looking at the history of teams playing each other.  This will be the 22 meeting between the teams with the 49ers holding the lead at 11-10.  The teams have alternated home wins for the last 4 meetings.  The Steelers last won in SF in 1999 and my 49ers last won in Pittsburgh in 1996. 

That 1996 game is special to me as that was the first game I every attended.  I saw Steve Young throw a TD pass to Jerry Rice and the Steeler fans boo their team off the field as they trailed 22-0 at the half.  The final score ended up 25-15, but it was never that close. 

Another interesting tidbit is that this will be the first time since 1999 the Steelers have play in SF on a Sunday.  Both 2003 and 2011 saw the game be played on Monday Night.  The 49ers dominated both those games and won going away.  The latter being the infamous blackout game where the stadium went dark.  That was Harbaugh's first year where the 49ers surprised everyone by coming within a muffed punt from reaching The Super Bowl.

Something I found out years ago in looking at the history of this series is that Pittsburgh gave my 49ers their only defeat in their 1984 season.  That Niners team went 18-1 and destroyed Miami in the Super Bowl.  The Dolphins blew out the Steelers in the AFC Title game that year.

That leads me to my next point in that these teams have combined for 11 Super Bowl wins and 15 appearances, but have never played in the biggest game of the year.  We have had plenty of close calls, but it's just never happened.  The closest call being in the 94/95 season when the heavily favored Steelers lost the AFC Title game at home to San Diego.  The 49ers weren't losing The Super Bowl that year, but Pittsburgh would have fared better than SD did. 

We add another chapter to this fun series this Sunday with Jimmy G vs Mason Rudolph which shows you how much things can change in 4 years.

Here are the scores from the series:

10/14/51 SF 28 @ Pittsburgh 14
12/07/52 Pittsburgh 24 @ SF 7
11/20/54 SF 31 @ Pittsburgh 3
09/28/58 SF 23 vs Pittsburgh 20
10/29/61 Pittsburgh 20 vs SF 10
09/26/65 SF 27 vs Pittsburgh 17
11/24/68 SF 45 @ Pittsburgh 28
12/15/73 Pittsburgh 37 @ SF 14
09/19/77 Pittsburgh 27 vs SF 0
11/27/78 Pittsburgh 24 @ SF 7
11/01/81 SF 17 @ Pittsburgh 14
10/14/84 Pittsburgh 20 @ SF 17
09/13/87 Pittsburgh 30 vs SF 17
10/21/90 SF 27 vs Pittsburgh 7
09/05/93 SF 24 @ Pittsburgh 13
12/15/96 SF 25 @ Pittsburgh 15
11/07/99 Pittsburgh 27 @ SF 6
11/17/03 SF 30 vs Pittsburgh 14
09/23/07 Pittsburgh 37 vs SF 16
12/19/11 SF 20 vs Pittsburgh 3
09/20/15 Pittsburgh 43 vs SF 18

One interesting thing is the 1981 game was the only one between Bradshaw and Montana.  This was after Bradshaw had already went 4-0 in Super Bowls and Montana was just about to start his climb to 4-0. 
 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 16, 2019, 10:15:39 PM
Steelers trade a first round pick to Miami for Minkah Fitzpatrick.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 16, 2019, 10:32:06 PM
This could really backfire if Rudolph were to get injured. Not sure I like the risk.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 17, 2019, 09:26:57 AM
Steelers trade a first round pick to Miami for Minkah Fitzpatrick.


They gave up their next year's first round pick for a cornerback? Not too sure about this move especially if the Steelers do bad this season that first round pick may turn out to be a very high pick in the draft
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 17, 2019, 09:38:03 AM
Obviously the Steelers do not see themselves in tanking mode. Very encouraging. They are definitely betting on Rudolph and themselves, unlike the Colts when Manning was injured or last time Luck was injured before this (conversely the Brissett lead Colts are definitely "betting on themselves" as well as evidenced by the contract that they gave Brissett).

Again, brilliant move if they win 6+ games (Fitzpatrick was 11th overall in 2018...the 6 win Bengals drafted 11th in 2019. While draft capital can easily change over the course of 2 years, I would say that his value is still around the same). But like you two have said terrible move if they do tank (5 or less wins).

With that said the Steelers rarely tank. They have not been a last place finisher since 1988 (5-11). The Bengals and Browns and even some Ravens teams have been worse than that since. Losing their starting QB for the season two weeks in is probably the biggest crisis that they have had to weather during that span, though, unless I am forgetting something.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 17, 2019, 10:22:17 AM
Fitzpatrick says he's been miscast as strong safety. This seems like a total panic move by Colbert. Miami is having a fire sale, why offer your 1st round choice?

The only plausible explanation is they feel this is Hilton's last year with the team, Sean Davis is hurt worse than anyone is admitting, Joe Hayden is hurt worse than anyone is admitting, Kameron Kelly is a bust, they have no faith in Marcus Allen.

Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 17, 2019, 12:56:04 PM
Honestly this trade is the Steelers putting all of their eggs in the Rudolph basket.

I would say if you believe in Rudolph, say, enough to honestly believe that they are a playoff team if he stays healthy, then this trade is a good thing. If you see them as a bad team with Rudolph at QB then this trade is awful.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 17, 2019, 02:42:33 PM
I think Rudolph will be just fine, tbh. I think the trade was unneccessary. The problem with the defense isn't the DBs, it's the"front 7" scheme that's neither fish nor fowl. Fix that by either a full time 3-4 or 4-3 and you fix the defensive backfield problem. Colbert would have been far better off trading for the stud NT they've needed since Hampton retired.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 17, 2019, 05:17:17 PM
Iím just excited to see if Tomlin is actually a good coach, or not. Donít think heís ever been given full reins on the team until now. I think theyíre going to surprise people.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 17, 2019, 06:16:31 PM
Steelers also signed Paxton Lynch to their practice squad
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 17, 2019, 08:28:00 PM
Iím just excited to see if Tomlin is actually a good coach, or not. Donít think heís ever been given full reins on the team until now. I think theyíre going to surprise people.

Sure. I could also see this going both ways (either they shock the world and win the division or they finish 5-11 bad). Their range of outcomes is crazy.

I did see however that their Supberbowl odds went from 40-1 to 100-1. So the betting community does not see this as Drew Bledsoe to Tom Brady lol. With that said if you do now would be the time to place a wager!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 18, 2019, 06:46:02 AM
Division at 5-1 looks pretty juicy to me actually.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Indians87 on September 18, 2019, 08:28:16 AM
Rudolph the red zone savior!

Steelers win the division with him and Fitz.  Here we go!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 18, 2019, 02:55:45 PM
I am also excited to see how Rudolph and Tomlin do, if we are picking in the top 7-8 picks in the draft, Rudolph isnt the guy and we just traded away our #1 pick that we could of drafted a new franchise QB with. Dont get me wrong, I absolutely love Minkah Fitzpatrick, I was hoping we would draft him somehow ,he could be the leader of that secondary, maybe the entire defense, for the next decade. Giving up this draft pick might be a huge mistake though if we go 3-13! The Steelers defense now has 8 first rounders, one sits the bench but this defense should be able to put Rudolph in a position to win most of the next 14 games.

If this season turns into a dumpster fire the Pittsburgh Pirates would be proud of I think it's time to fire Colbert, Tomlin, and every coach on the staff and start over with a new GM and HC. On the other hand if we somehow  make the playoffs after starting 0-2, Tomlin deserves another even longer extension. But honestly I don't think that will happen.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 19, 2019, 08:37:33 AM
The more I am hearing and reading about this trade for Fitzpatrick, the more I think it was a good deal. That is of course if Butler uses him right and can get this defense which has a ton if first round draft picks on it turned around
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Nicky on September 19, 2019, 10:00:41 AM
Haven't been around much this week, but people are seriously mad that we got Minkah Fitzpatrick?
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 21, 2019, 02:23:37 PM
Area of concern for me this game is the 49ers have lost Hall of Fame tackle Joe Staley for 8 weeks and a rookie is starting in his spot.  How well can he hold up protecting Jimmy G's blind side? 

The 49ers secondary is getting better with Richard Sherman teaching the young kids around him.  The secondary vs the Steelers WR should be a fun battle as well.

The Steelers defense better stop the run as the 49ers ran all over the Bengals last week with multiple backs and that opened up the passing game for Jimmy and his group of young WR.  There is also the George Kittle problem.

Can't wait for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 21, 2019, 04:38:15 PM
49ers giving Steelers 6.5 line has held steady. I have actually liked that line all week for the Steelers. I think that Steelers at least cover tomorrow.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 21, 2019, 07:21:09 PM
Haven't been around much this week, but people are seriously mad that we got Minkah Fitzpatrick?


I was at first when I just heard about it but the more I looked into it, sounds like a good trade
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 22, 2019, 04:55:15 PM
Good news for Steelers fans is San Francisco turns the ball over twice already and the Steelers already scored twice. Bad news is they are only able to get two field goals and are up 6-0
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 22, 2019, 04:55:40 PM
Pretty conservative game plan from Fitchner today. It's too bad the offense was built around BR's passing and not trying to establish a running game as well.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 22, 2019, 05:03:43 PM
Make that three turnovers for the 49ers

If KidRaven has any hair, Iím sure he is pulling it all out right now
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 22, 2019, 07:43:17 PM
Fichtner should be fired after this game, or at least demoted to qb coach. He made no adjustments to the offense to suit Rudolph's strengths, just the same old, same old built for BR and neither effective nor diverse. If you are going to use play action, the qb needs to be under center, not in the shotgun where a play fake rarely fools anyone. It's easier to run from a qb under center formation, too. Implement a ball control offense and the defense is good enough to win games.

The OL was generally awful, too, although maybe they were being asked to do the impossible given the game plan that unfolded. Can't fault the defense. They forced 5 turnovers and played 36+ minutes.

Why is Switzer still on the team? He brings nothing to the table except he's pals with a qb who's out for the season. I don't where the guy who came down from the CFL is, but he was good in preseason and was a top returner in a league that doesn't allow fair catches. If he's available, he should be brought back. Either him or Eli Rogers.

On the plus side, thought Fitzpatrick played well and tackled well.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 22, 2019, 07:48:22 PM
Make that three turnovers for the 49ers

If KidRaven has any hair, Iím sure he is pulling it all out right now

I was dumbfounded by all the turnovers but I stayed calm. Mainly because my 2 year old son was next to me so didnít want to act a fool in front of him. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 22, 2019, 08:22:00 PM
The Offensive line has been bad so far for every game this season. I guess losing the OL coach in the offseason was a bigger deal than most people thought
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 22, 2019, 08:50:46 PM
Specifically Feiler and Villaneuva were bad, but Fichtner should have known SF was going to pressure Rudolph and helped them.

Let's look at the TEs, too. The Steelers thumbed their nose at re-signing Jesse James so today we were entertained by watching their "project TE" Gentry try to block.

Unfortunately, the offense has been designed for years to depend on BR's sandlot football style. The HC and OC need to admit the BR era is over and revamp the offense to one where plays build on themselves to accomplish specific goals.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 23, 2019, 02:46:38 AM
The OL looks like crap every year the first few games. Go back and look how the Browns mauled them in week 1 the last 2 years, in 2017 everybody was too busy blaming LeVeon Bell for not being in camp.

Mason Rudolph looked ok, I think there was a lot of managing of him today, particularly in the 1st half, and if you are going to manage your QB, you need to have the run game step up and Conner didn't do that. In fact he made the biggest mistake today.

Turns out the Steelers arent better off without the best WR and RB in the league. Who would of thought.....

Defense looked great in first half again, playing aggressive just like last week. Come out the locker room they can't stop sweeps and Garroppolo has guys open downfield like Wilson last week. If it's conditioning or just good halftime coaching by the other coaching staff, it keeps happening and it's Tomlin's fault.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 23, 2019, 06:52:54 AM
Truth is, it usually takes the Steelers the first 3-4 games to get going. It's been happening for years, going back to Cowher because the starters play so little in preason. Other teams do that, but not to the extreme the Steelers do.

The offense is designed for BR. He wants to throw it and throw it deep a lot. That's why the OL is very good at pass protecting and not so great at run blocking. Running is just something to do to fill in the plays that aren't passes. It's more a "quick strike" offense than a ball control one. Chris Hoke said on the post-game that the offense averaged less than 2 minutes TOP per drive. And the Steelers got 6 points off 5 turnovers; SF got 14 off 2. That was the game.

The defense has never been adapted to fit not having a ball control offense. It's still built to exert maximum pressure in spurts to get turnovers and give the ball back to the offense. IMHO, that's why it's wearing down in the 2nd half.

Again, JMO, but if the Steelers went to a ball control offense, even if it means using passes to the back in lieu of some direct handoffs, the defense is actually good enough for them to win games.

It's on the coaches and the front office to decide to build the offense to suit the defense or visa versa.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 23, 2019, 07:47:11 AM
The Rams for the second straight year did not use their starters AT ALL. They've faired ok at least.

Not agreeing or disagreeing that the Steelers should or should not use more reps in preseason, but making statements that indicate that they are a foolish outlier on the process is simply inaccurate and not at all true.

I would say next season regardless (hopefully with Ben but possibly without) the starting qb gets some more reps because in any case said QB could probably use them. Unless then again it is Ben and he's on a pitch count.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 23, 2019, 08:01:09 AM
T4L,

Agreed completely...this "addition by subtraction" mantra was simply not logical, period.

Conner stinks. Period. He is not an NFL starting RB. By my count that was the third game in two years that a fumble of his has outright cost the Steelers a game. He's a tremendous story, and I would rather have good people than bad people, but I prefer him in an insurance role behind someone good (a'la Bell) rather than a feature back who fumbles and doesn't add enough in the pass catching role either.

AB I am glad that he is gone. He is too far off of the moral grid (alleged sexual assault, Twitter storms, open disputes with teammates and media, and overall a bad person by most accounts). However, you are accurate when you say best WR in the NFL over the past 5 years or so. No one could replace that.

And finally Ben. I can see being happy to see them move on, but don't expect many wins. Steelers fans, who did not have good QB play from the moment Bradshaw retired until Ben was established, are damn fools to believe that some 3rd round pick is an upgrade or even "replacement level." Very very few NFL QBs are drafted that late and do well (Romo undrafted a Russell Wilson 3rd round are your best case scenarios in the modern era). Again, maybe no one likes Ben and this is somehow an improvement in the locker room (probably not) and somehow lets the coaches coach (Fichtner is terrible so probably not a good thing either) but if history has taught just about every team save for the Colts and Packers is that a franchise QB is pretty much irreplaceable. The Dolphins STILL have not recovered from Marino retiring. The 49ers have been mostly irrelevant post Steve Young. The Broncos were saved by three years of Peyton Manning. And so on. Simply put I would rather be in the Patriots boat (having a seemingly immortal QB) or the Packers (a great QB who is bigger than his coaches) than a team looking at rolling out the next generations of Neil O'Donnell and Mark Malone.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 23, 2019, 08:13:45 AM
And don't get me wrong on Romo/Wilson. If Rudolph is the next Romo/Wilson that would be a good thing. My point being that they were diamonds in the rough. If I get a chance I will go thru starting QBs but most are 1st or 2nd rounders. Odds are not in Mason's favor.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 23, 2019, 08:21:28 AM
The Steelers almost always start slow. I guess regardless of what other teams do, not playing their starters much doesn't seem to work for the Steelers.

The Steelers got to a SB with Neil O'Donnell who was a lot better qb than he gets credit for being. They got to the AFCCG with Kordell Stewart at qb. Had Cowher recognized Stewart was the beginning of the era of qbs who could both run and throw instead of a guy to use more for trickery, Stewart might have had a much more productive career. When BR was young, he was great, but lately he's been just a qb on the decline. The Steelers deluded themselves into thinking he was going to lead them to another SB, though.

Been watching the Steelers for 50+ years and have seen my share of terrible qbs like Bill Nelson, Dick Shiner and Ron Smith way before Kent Graham et al showed up on the scene.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 23, 2019, 08:32:35 AM
The September schedule this season has been more difficult than the past few.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 23, 2019, 10:01:21 AM
2019 Opening Day NFL QBs:

First Round
Patrick Mahomes
Aaron Rodgers
Phillip Rivers
Matt Ryan
Baker Mayfield
Ben Roethlisberger
Carson Wentz
Jared Goff
Deshaun Watson
Mitchell Trubisky
Matthew Stafford
Cam Newton
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Sam Darnold
Lamar Jackson
Josh Allen
Derek Carr
Eli Manning
Joe Flacco
Kyler Murray

Second Round
Drew Brees
Jimmy Garrapolo
Andy Dalton

Third Round
Russel Wilson
Nick Foles
Jacoby Brissett

Fourth Round
Dak Prescott
Kirk Cousins

Sixth Round
Tom Brady

Seventh Round
Ryan Fitzpatrick

Undrafted FA
Case Keenum

21 of 32 were first round picks. The number would be higher if not for Andrew Luck retiring and if the Dolphins would have aired with the younger QB on opening day in what likely will be a back and fourth season down there between who plays barring injury.

That is not to say that there are no good QBs 3rd round and worse (Brady is the GOAT, Wilson is a franchise QB, Foles won a Superbowl, and the others on that list save for Fitzpatrick are all serviceable starters and are better than some of the 1st rounders on the list such as Mariota and Manning/Flacco circa 2019). It's just that talent matters.

Rudolph has the size. His arm strength is not considered good (especially for his size). His other intangibles are tough to say. The Steelers "like him" (which is good), but then again the same thing can be said for both the Pats and Colts regarding their assessment of Brissett. If Brissett starts the next 5 years for the Colts they will not blow up in a bad way, but they will not make many playoffs or win many if any playoff games, either. That is kind of where I peg Rudolph from what I've seen...in the Jacoby Brissett/Andy Dalton range of QB talent in terms of probable best case scenario.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 23, 2019, 10:12:46 AM
The September schedule this season has been more difficult than the past few.

That's why that loss yesterday was particularly tough.

With that said the dream is still not absolutely dead for the playoffs, but they are needless to say not in good shape.

If you want to rationalize wins:

Steelers will still be favored most likely: (vs. Bengals, vs. Dolphins, @ Bengals, @ Cardinals, @ Jets)
Coin Flips or small underdog: (vs. Colts, vs Browns, vs. Bills)
Underdog but have a shot: (vs. Ravens, @ Chargers, @ Browns)
Severe Underdogs: (vs. Rams)
Depends on circumstances: (Week 17 @Ravens it is possible that Baltimore has nothing to play for)

If you're thinking 9 wins takes an AFC Wild Card birth they would need to sweep those favored games, try to take care of business in those coin flip types (which who knows, Colts or Browns could be bad at that point, Bills are feasting off of an easy schedule) and pull off an upset or two, and it can be rationalized. But yes this schedule looks much better than playing at NWE. Then again before the season I would have had them favored slightly vs Seattle and at San Fran as well.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 23, 2019, 07:13:07 PM
yeah I definitely think it's at least time to up the workload of Samuels and Snell, Conner doesn't even have 100 yards yet. Shocked that Samuels didn't get any touches yesterday, he looked ok against Seattle.

Good news if there is any is that the AFC North is 3-9 and Baltimore is only 2-1 at the top. Can't count on 9-7 or even 10-6 getting a  wild card anymore, the 2019 path is probably only winning the division
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 23, 2019, 08:23:52 PM
I do think New England and Kansas City will both win minimum 13 games which should allow for 9-7 to be in serious wild card contention.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 24, 2019, 09:39:40 PM
Steelers trade a 5th round pick for TE from Seattle, Nick Vannett.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 30, 2019, 11:22:17 PM
Steelers 27
Bengals 3

Final


Steelers finally use Samuel and they had a great plan of getting the backs in the passing game. Lots of dinking and dunking and touch passes down the field.  They also broke out the wildcat and then threw one deep ball to a wide open WR for a TD

The defense had 8 sacks.

The AFC has 3 pretty horrible teams in Bengals, Dolphins, and Jets.  Plus the Broncos at 0-4. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on October 01, 2019, 06:52:56 AM
I feel like the Jets will be competitive when their QB is healthy. Looks like he will miss 1-2 more games.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on October 01, 2019, 07:25:07 AM
Notwithstanding that Cincy isn't a good team, props to Fichtner for developing a game plan to suit Rudolph and not BR. They stuck with the run and it paid off. The outside runs helped open up the middle. When he couldn't find an open wr downfield, Rudolph dumped the ball to the check down receiver. That's the kind of offense the Steelers used under Haley that BR didn't like.

The defense was good. I noticed Mark Baron around the ball all game, making plays. Devin Bush looked more comfortable, too. The dbs covered well. I think with a ball control offense, the defense is good enough to win.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on October 01, 2019, 08:32:18 PM
I just enjoy seeing purpose to each play rather than ad libbing ad nauseam. Benís days at being effective in that manner ended a few years ago. I think we were going to see him continue to regress if not completely fall off the cliff this season based on the first 6 quarters.

8-8 is still where I think theyíll end up.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on October 02, 2019, 12:10:48 PM
Generally, I think you are correct. To me, the biggest indicator is the drop-off on late game comeback wins BR has engineered the past few seasons.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on October 02, 2019, 11:04:07 PM
Yes however I do think that might be seen as a detriment with Rudolph this season. I donít see him making many late drives to win. I do think Ben still had some of that left.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on October 05, 2019, 12:26:47 PM
I think they are managing Rudolph pretty well.

 Steelers fans want to rewrite history and say no one ever held Ben back but they absolutely did until Cowher had to set him loose late in games  for 2 seasons. Wiz was creating trick plays every game. Go back and look at Ben's stats, most games he had under 200 yards and 25 passes attempted and he entered 4th quarter of a few games with less than a 100 yards passing. Ben didn't get his reins off until the 3rd year when we started 2-6

And we really need to stop comparing them, a handful of rookie QBs have been wildly successful in their first year in  the entire history of this league and BR was one, expecting something like that from MR is unfair. Ben had a top defense, HOF RB, HOF WR, Plaxico Burress, HOF guard, Heath Miller, etc. I'm not even sure Conner is better than the back up RB from 2004(Willie Parker) and JuJu would be fighting Randle El for playing time so it's not a fair comparison.....at all. Let the guy figure out how to be Mason Rudolph.

Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on October 06, 2019, 02:21:44 PM
Having Vince back makes the defense better and should keep Barron or Bush(or both) fresher on 3rd downs to cover.

TJ Watt is becoming a stud. Starting to make plays at critical moments, he kind of padded his stats against bad teams the frst two years.

If we skipped the wildcat this week , because you know maybe the Ravens would prepare for the high school offense.....I think we'd be up right now, Steelers look like better team thus far despite being down a TD, I've seen 2 wildcat plays and one was the interception that lead to first Ravens TD and 2nd was a 4yd loss on 2nd and 1 from about  6 yards from end zone and lead to kicking a fg instead of cutting it to 17-13

Tomlin just took his 1 shot per game to #80 Johnny Holton, failed this time. Hasnt caught it yet but has produced 2 long PI penalty gains

Ravens 17
Steelers 10
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on October 06, 2019, 02:29:59 PM
This Ravens team is not that good. I would be shocked if the Steelers donít come back in the second half and win this game
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on October 06, 2019, 02:58:58 PM
Rudolph is down and not moving. This is not good. He got sandwiched on that scramble and throw
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on October 06, 2019, 03:17:44 PM
Duck Dynasty Devlin Hodges  finishes off the drive after Rudolph got knocked out by Earl Thomas. James Conner 1 yd TD, Steelers have intercepted Jackson 3 times

Steelers 20
Ravens 17
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on October 06, 2019, 04:11:01 PM
Unless something crazy happens in the next ten seconds it looks like the Steelers and Ravens are going to overtime
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on October 06, 2019, 04:16:57 PM
Gotta say some really ticky tacky penalties, especially the 3 roughing calls, 2 on Pgh and 1 on Balt.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on October 06, 2019, 04:27:40 PM
Gotta say some really ticky tacky penalties, especially the 3 roughing calls, 2 on Pgh and 1 on Balt.

Agreed. Some really bad calls including that non fumble call on Ju Ju earlier in the game. He shouldíve had 2 fumbles today.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on October 06, 2019, 04:32:54 PM
Second year in a row JuJu fumbles away a game that likely ends the Steelers season. Still a lot of season left but they are in a world of trouble and especially if they have to rely on a 3rd string QB.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on October 06, 2019, 04:37:06 PM
Steelers should have had a safety, too. I did see Ingram desperately reach the ball out just over the goal line, but he was stopped in the end zone, there was no further forward progress.

Honestly, I think the NFL should ditch OT for the regular season. I doubt Balt plays for a FG if there was no OT. Maybe they win, maybe they don't.

If the NFL wants to keep OT, then play the full 10 minutes and switch ends at the 5 minute mark.

I have to give Hodges credit, he was cool and calm in the pocket. The pass protection was outstanding all game for both qbs.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on October 06, 2019, 04:54:44 PM
I donít know how good it was for Baltimore. I mean he did get sacked like 6 times

I think that was a safety also and Hayden shouldíve been flagged for a hit to the head in the end zone also

Even though they are 1-4, this division is still not out of reach. Bengals suck, Ravens showed me nothing today and the Browns will probably show who they are against the 49ers tomorrow. If the Browns start to gel then it might be a problem for the Steelers
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Nicky on October 06, 2019, 05:22:11 PM
That roughing the QB on the Steelers #92 was truly unbelievable.  He didn't hit him late, didn't hit him low, didn't hit him high. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Downriver on October 06, 2019, 05:39:37 PM
That roughing the QB on the Steelers #92 was truly unbelievable.  He didn't hit him late, didn't hit him low, didn't hit him high.

Really bad call.  QB hadn't even thrown the ball when hit and it was a perfect tackle!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on October 06, 2019, 06:09:47 PM
I donít know how good it was for Baltimore. I mean he did get sacked like 6 times

I think that was a safety also and Hayden shouldíve been flagged for a hit to the head in the end zone also

Even though they are 1-4, this division is still not out of reach. Bengals suck, Ravens showed me nothing today and the Browns will probably show who they are against the 49ers tomorrow. If the Browns start to gel then it might be a problem for the Steelers

Meant both Steeler qbs, Rudolph and Hodges.

Two years ago, the Steelers won a bunch of game with last second FGs. Last year, they lost those games because Boswell didn't kick well. This year looks like one where injuries/inexperience/weird stuff plays the biggest role in W/L.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on October 06, 2019, 09:18:17 PM
winning the division is only hope now and today hurts the chances of that, now we can only split with them

Was really hoping they pulled that out  for Rudolph, looked like he was trying to say he was fine at first when he woke up from his nap.

I wonder if they try to get Paxton Lynch ready or stick with Duck Dynasty as the QB1 while  Rudolph is trying to get cleared to come back
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on October 06, 2019, 09:21:21 PM
That roughing the QB on the Steelers #92 was truly unbelievable.  He didn't hit him late, didn't hit him low, didn't hit him high.

yeah that was terrible and I'd like to see #92 get more reps
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on October 06, 2019, 09:24:55 PM
Hodges played with more confidence than Rudolph gas. Now it might also be blissful ignorance but he seems to at the least look more fluid and less robotic.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on October 07, 2019, 04:24:58 AM
Hodges broke Steve McNair's passing record for FCS (old D1AA, iirc), so he's certainly comfortable throwing the ball. Probably the only reason he wasn't a D1 recruit is his height 6'1. Next week the Steelers will have Mutt and Jeff qbs in Hodges and the 6'7" Paxton Lynch.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on October 07, 2019, 09:25:23 AM
They are finished (in terms of winning the division or making the playoffs). I realize that the division "stinks" but the Steelers have too many likely losses left on the schedule. Their only hope now is that 7-9 takes the division.

With that said they played probably their best game of the season to date yesterday (the Bengals are THAT bad). A lot to build off of.

Regarding the Juju fumble nice defensive play but yes situational awareness prevents that from happening.

As for Hodges I am looking forward to seeing him play. I still think that he gives them a better chance than a total stiff like Landry Jones and possibly even Dobbs.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on October 07, 2019, 09:48:26 AM
IIRC, Balt was 4-5 at the 9 game mark last season and won the division. The Steelers had a 3 game lead over them at one point. Yet they ended up winning the division. You never know what can happen.

The Steeler defense is on the verge of being very good, but it's taken some time for the new guys and rookies to work in, but their CB play is as good as I've seen it. Williams' return allows the Steelers to plug him when teams try to run. Heyward, Tuitt, Hargrave, Watt and Dupree have been bring the heat every game. The defense must be in double digits in creating turnovers already as well.

The offense only has to play a balanced, ball-control game and limit turnovers for the Steelers to have a good chance to win every week.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on October 07, 2019, 05:44:49 PM
Looks like Rudolph has made a quick recovery. I didn't see the hit when the game was on, but watching it on replay, it was definitely a hit with the helmet, but it was to Rudolph's jaw. He was out as soon as he was hit, just as if he'd taken a right cross on the chin in the ring.

I think I'd be surprised if Rudolph played Sunday, but with the bye week following, he should be back for the next game.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on October 07, 2019, 06:48:47 PM
The hit was ridiculous. Thomas leapt forward leading with his helmet. Made no attempt to swat at the ball. Should be a multiple game suspension. In my opinion thatís sloppy playing and it got somebody hurt. That wasnít something that was unlucky for Thomas. He was reckless.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on October 07, 2019, 07:24:57 PM
Agreed completely BT.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on October 07, 2019, 07:39:38 PM
JMHO, but if I'm a defensive player and I see those 3 ticky-tacky roughing calls, I might think to myself, why bother "playing nice" when it comes to putting a lick on a qb. I'm not implying this idea crossed Thomas' mind, but I'd be thinking if I'm going to get 15 yds for barely touching the qb, might as well make a hard hit.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on October 07, 2019, 08:59:38 PM
I don't know how to fix it but the refs have been absolutely horrible so far this season. IMO, they are scared to make any calls as they think it will just be overturned and make them look bad. In a Saints game, the Saints recovered an obvious fumble and ran it back for a touchdown but the refs said they blew the whistle and called it back. Totally turned the momentum in the game and the Rams went on to win. If you see now the refs don't even blow the whistle anymore and let the play continue. A few times I saw QBs get laid out while the play continued. What will happen to the refs when/if someone gets hurt?

If you also remember about the hit on Rudolph, the refs didn't even throw a flag until they saw Rudolph unconscious laying on the ground. And Thomas gets no suspension. If that was a hit on Rodgers or Brady or Brees, Thomas would've gotten a multiple game suspension.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on October 07, 2019, 09:24:46 PM
So, turns out the 49ers are pretty damn good, Seahawks are too. Doesn't change anything but maybe the Steelers aren't as bad as everyone thinks
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on October 07, 2019, 09:49:56 PM
So, turns out the 49ers are pretty damn good, Seahawks are too. Doesn't change anything but maybe the Steelers aren't as bad as everyone thinks


This is also showing the Browns are not that good as they have no offensive line and no secondary. AFC North is definitely up for grabs
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on October 07, 2019, 09:55:02 PM
I've watched the entire game so far. It has been both about San Francisco execution and Browns miscues (as bad as Baker has looked, the second INT that he threw was 100% not his fault, as in worse than the Moncrief Week 2 drop that lead to an INT). With that said the story of the game is probably line play both ways. Although to their credit Cleveland is running well also (they are shooting themselves in the foot when they try to pass lol).

I'm curious to see what happens in the second half. San Fran does get the ball first.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on October 07, 2019, 11:46:07 PM
My 49ers dominated and have a scary, young defense. They can get pressure just by rushing 4 and Bosa looks like he is going to run away with defensive ROY.  They also have a stable of RB and just pound the ball to set up Jimmy G with play action.  Big test vs Rams on Sunday.  A win there and it may bury the Rams as far as the division goes.  A big key will be the health of their FB (who is the best FB in the game). They could have issues if he missed time.  Someone is going to win the AFC North while one of the Niners, Seahawks, and Rams likely missed the playoffs.

The NFC West is 7-1 vs AFC North so far with AFCN only win being Ravens at home with the Cardinals.

Mayfield sucks when he canít throw to his first read.  I did figure Cleveland would have a better defense but they were pushed all over the field.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on October 08, 2019, 12:26:25 AM
My 49ers dominated and have a scary, young defense. They can get pressure just by rushing 4 and Bosa looks like he is going to run away with defensive ROY.  They also have a stable of RB and just pound the ball to set up Jimmy G with play action.  Big test vs Rams on Sunday.  A win there and it may bury the Rams as far as the division goes.  A big key will be the health of their FB (who is the best FB in the game). They could have issues if he missed time.  Someone is going to win the AFC North while one of the Niners, Seahawks, and Rams likely missed the playoffs.

The NFC West is 7-1 vs AFC North so far with AFCN only win being Ravens at home with the Cardinals.

Mayfield sucks when he canít throw to his first read.  I did figure Cleveland would have a better defense but they were pushed all over the field.



Should be a great game when the 49ers come to New Orleans in December to play the Saints!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on October 09, 2019, 04:37:17 PM
Mason Rudolph back at Steeler practice.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on October 11, 2019, 05:16:44 AM
Unless he practices with the 1's today I think it's going to be Duck Dynasty this week, hope he pulls off a win and starts a mini QB controversy, we haven't had one of them in over 15 years.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on October 13, 2019, 10:08:48 PM
Steelers up 24-0 but doubt we see any QB controversy, been all defense and James Conner. Steelers did a couple special things(pistol) to accommodate Duck but similar conservatism you see when Rudolph plays

That loss to the Ravens hurts....
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on October 13, 2019, 10:47:41 PM
This is type of offense the Steelers should have been running with Ben in there.  Would have been undefeated and he would probably not been hurt....guessing of course :)
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on October 13, 2019, 11:34:18 PM
A really nice win, but more significant injuries lead by Tuitt with a pectoral injury. Also Watt with an oblique, Hayden a groin injury and Conner a quad.

Cam Sutton made an excellent and smart play not waiting for the onside kick to come down, but going up to grab it and a good pick to end the game.

Just watching the play-calling since BR went out, it's obvious how constricted the offense has had to be to suit his preferences. It's nice to see an offense with plays called for a purpose to set up other plays later.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on October 14, 2019, 09:41:42 PM
Steelers lose Stephon Tuitt for the season, torn pectoral. He was probably the best player on that defense  through 6 games.

I guess that means Tyson Alualu will get some time at DE and someone else may get an opportunity to spell Hargreaves at the nose, this is why they gave Alualu the extension, he can play all 3 positions, former top 10  pick with Jaguars

Tomlin may be in for his first losing season
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on October 14, 2019, 11:30:58 PM
That is too bad about Tuitt. He was having a great season.

Isiah Buggs, who has been inactive so far, will now be the next man up. They promoted Mondeaux from the PS to the 53 man roster.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on October 15, 2019, 11:27:31 AM
This is type of offense the Steelers should have been running with Ben in there.  Would have been undefeated and he would probably not been hurt....guessing of course :)

I think that you're onto something.

Where I disagree is Ben getting hurt...blowing out his elbow is as much about throwing the ball in practice etc. This wasn't the typical Ben lower body injury caused by punishment. So I'm not sure that throwing 10 times less in two games saves his elbow. Ironically those who clamor for more preseason reps maybe get him to blow out his elbow 3-4 weeks earlier lol.

With that said there is a sentiment (still) from some that the Steelers are somehow BETTER without Ben than with, which their 2-4 record and 29th ranked passing game says it all. Of course they are not better off with Rudolph or Hodges (or Dobbs for his cult following). Their play calling may be better, but Hodges kind of proved the point the other night the problems with having an ineffective passing game.

In the Hodges vs Rudolph debate I am kind of undecided. I think that Hodges is more limited in his skill set, but I also think that LA defended him well and did not bite on play action etc (which many felt that was where Hodges would possibly make some bigger plays). I love Hodges mentality though and in some ways prefer him over Rudolph.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on October 16, 2019, 05:22:04 PM
Steelers added defensive lineman LT Walton , he was with Steelers for a few years in the past. Depth
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on October 16, 2019, 05:53:01 PM
Rudolph has been cleared from the concussion protocol and has been named starter for Week 8 vs. Miami.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on October 17, 2019, 05:05:38 AM
BR wouldn't run the offense they've been using since he went on IR.  It's the biggest reason why Haley isn't OC anymore and why BR's buddy Fichtner was promoted because he lets BR call the plays he wants. Just look at last year and the two games this year with BR. The offense was predicated on passing a lot and mostly ignoring the run game and TOP in favor of "quick strike". The offense was stale and predictable, but it was what BR wanted. That's what's been exposed now with BR out. If we were talking about the BR from 4-5 years ago, he's a loss, but 37 yr old BR? It isn't the end of the world.

The Steelers are a better team without BR. The offense is now balanced, less predictable and it shows in TOP. This allows the defense to be more rested and that shows, too.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on October 17, 2019, 11:02:49 AM
Maybe you should have finished that sentence .."without BR calling the plays"  Hopefully, they will realize that giving BR a 'blank check' to run what he wants will bankrupt the team.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on October 17, 2019, 03:00:12 PM
Nope, wrote what I meant. IMHO, BR is just as big a distraction as AB and Bell and the offense is restricted to the plays he likes to run. The apparently genuine enthusiasm with which the offense embraced Mason Rudolph isn't lost on me.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on October 17, 2019, 05:27:27 PM
BR was going to retire if they didnít allow him to call the plays. Iíd trade him for next to nothing to Tampa this winter to move on.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on October 19, 2019, 11:04:01 AM
BR was never going to retire, that was just his passive-aggressive assholish way of getting rid of a coach


They drafted Mason and he was all butthurt "I guess they don't need me anymore" crap on the FAN, well jackass you spent the offseason threatening to retire and now you're  shocked they used a real draft pick on a QB. BR is a great QB, but as a person, he's a giant doucheweazel.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on October 21, 2019, 03:57:37 PM
Well, another Pittsburgh millionaire athlete shoots himself in the foot with charges of domestic abuse on girl friend.  More infor remains to be seen, but Steelers will have to address this matter.  Seems they have had a couple other LB's doing something like this.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on October 23, 2019, 04:21:03 PM
with the kind of stupid $ they owe him for next season , I hope he gets cut.

I think he was the last ditch plan to start at olb in 2020 if dupree is gone and they have a young draft pick to work in.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 03, 2019, 03:18:43 PM
Colts canít get out of their own way as they either fumble or take a bad penalty to keep the Steelers in the lead 20-18 and Iím sure it will be 23-18 here shortly as they have a 4th down but are in the red zone. Colts have taken 2 bad unsportsmanlike penalties which led to 10 points for the Steelers. Rudolph takes a safety to get the Colts within 2 but then the Colts quickly fumble the kickoff and the Steelers just got 3 points off of that.

Rudolph is getting booed as he is back to the dunk and dunk as Samuels is his go to guy today with 11 catches. Brissett was also knocked out of the game with a left leg injury so Iím not sure if the Pittsburgh defense is looking that good or is it because the Colts starting QB is out?
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on November 03, 2019, 03:32:14 PM
Steeler defensive game plan is making 100 yr old Brian Hoyer look like Tom Brady. This is inexcusable.

I blame Fichtner for calling a pass play on 3rd down inside their own 10 that resulted in a safety.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 03, 2019, 03:42:15 PM
Finally let Rudolph throw it down the field and he completes a 40 yard pass then throws it to Johnson at the 5 for 25 yards. Pass was incomplete but the Colts get called for a bogus pass interference penalty. Steelers do nothing from the 5 but they get another field goal to take the lead 26-24 with 7 minutes left
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 03, 2019, 03:50:21 PM
Another BS call on the Colts as they get another 15 yard penalty for hitting Switzer on the punt and he never signaled for a fair catch and was hit in the shoulder. Steelers definetly got the calls in this game
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on November 03, 2019, 03:51:00 PM
NFL is ruining football, that call on Switzer was terrible
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on November 03, 2019, 03:52:57 PM
offense needs to do better than a 3 and out after your D steps up like they did with back to back sacks and 3rd & forever.

D looks tough late
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on November 03, 2019, 03:53:39 PM
Pascal fell down on purpose
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 03, 2019, 03:57:23 PM
No way was that ball uncatchable! He might have got the ref to call a penalty but IMO that was more pass interference than that call on the Colts defender earlier

Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on November 03, 2019, 03:58:35 PM
No way was that ball uncatchable! He might have got the ref to call a penalty but IMO that was more pass interference than that call on the Colts defender earlier

you are out of your mind
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 03, 2019, 04:00:56 PM
No way was that ball uncatchable! He might have got the ref to call a penalty but IMO that was more pass interference than that call on the Colts defender earlier

you are out of your mind


Not at all. Just my opinion and I think the Steelers defender was grabbing more than that Colts defender earlier
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 03, 2019, 04:06:02 PM
Wow! Steelers pull out another one off a horrible field goal attempt by the Colts that wouldíve won the game for them


Probably feels weird for Steelers fans as they will be rooting for the Patriots tonight to beat the Ravens
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on November 03, 2019, 04:06:44 PM
Just some awful game management on the last Steeler possession. Indy has 1 TO left, why pass on 3rd down when the OL protection hasn't been good all game? Call a run and the clock either runs down to 2min or Indy calls it's last TO. Then punt.

I could see the challenge on 3rd down. It looked like defensive PI to me, but if the call gets overturned, pretty much game over. The second challenge, though, ugh. It was reported not 1 non-flagged PI challenge has been overturned this season so far. It's like the NFL HQ has decided it was a bad decision to cave to NO and allow PI challenges and have advised refs never to uphold one.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on November 03, 2019, 04:07:49 PM
No way was that ball uncatchable! He might have got the ref to call a penalty but IMO that was more pass interference than that call on the Colts defender earlier

you are out of your mind


Not at all. Just my opinion and I think the Steelers defender was grabbing more than that Colts defender earlier

earlier? like before the pass was thrown? That's something else(def holding) than a human being  able to catch that pass...  Usain Bolt wasn't catching that with nobody guarding him.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on November 03, 2019, 04:10:57 PM
Wow, first VanDerjack, now Vinateri...

Of course, you should never lose to a team qb'd by Brian Hoyer...

I thought the pass on PI was uncatchable, too. It looked to be at least 5 yds overthrown.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on November 03, 2019, 04:22:15 PM
Philliponi's schleprock run might be over. He really predicted Vinatieri would miss a 43yard FG to lose the game on Friday

Hopefully not, lots of people make money fading his picks
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 03, 2019, 04:29:03 PM
No way was that ball uncatchable! He might have got the ref to call a penalty but IMO that was more pass interference than that call on the Colts defender earlier

you are out of your mind


Not at all. Just my opinion and I think the Steelers defender was grabbing more than that Colts defender earlier

earlier? like before the pass was thrown? That's something else(def holding) than a human being  able to catch that pass...  Usain Bolt wasn't catching that with nobody guarding him.


No. Earlier in the game
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on November 03, 2019, 04:33:32 PM
Steelers are 1 game out of the wildcard and have the tiebreaker over the team they trail for final spot, Colts

5.Bills 6-2
6.Colts 5-3
------------------
7. Steelers 4-4
8. Oakland 3-4 (playing DET now)
Jacksonville 4-5
Tennessee 4-5
11. Chargers 3-5 (playing GB now)
12. Cleveland 2-5 (playing DEN now)
13. Broncos 2-6
14. Dolphins 1-7
Jets 1-7
16. Bengals 0-8

hasn't looked good but they are right back in it with 8 games left. I don't think anyone would be shocked if the Bills and Colts start losing and things get even tighter

Division Leaders
East: Pats 8-0
South: Texans 6-3
West: Chiefs 6-3
North: Ravens 5-2
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Bob.Gregg.WJPA.Radio on November 03, 2019, 04:35:20 PM
multiple bad challenge/no challenge decisions again today, and the Steelers survive.

Not challenging an apparent touchdown in the first half was a mistake.
No problem with challenging the DPI.  The ball was CLEARLY uncatchable to everyone but Al Riveron.
PITIFUL decision to challenge for an un-called OPI right after the lost DPI challenge.

The Pittsburgh PIRATES have a significantly higher success rate on challenges than the Steelers.
Perhaps, Coach Tomlin should investigate their process.

Of course, it could be that Coach Tomlin is actively assuring that fewer and fewer people bother him for autographs or photos at high school football games on Friday nights.
And, I want to note, that I have NO problem whatsoever with Coach turning down those requests this past Friday night.  He was there, being a supportive dad and should be allowed to do just that.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on November 03, 2019, 04:45:47 PM
"He was there, being a supportive dad and should be allowed to do just that."

I thought I read that his son was not dressed for the game or did not participate in the loss.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Bob.Gregg.WJPA.Radio on November 03, 2019, 04:50:27 PM
He did not dress Friday night.
I saw the son but did not see dad.
FB/twitter was all buzzing about dad declining autograph/photos.
Those people are wrong to be upset by it.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on November 03, 2019, 07:05:18 PM
I thought it was a TD, too, as the ball popped out after it broke the plane of the goal line, but the refs immediately pointed to "down" after the fumble. It was second and goal from the 1. Your offense should be able to drive it in from there. I don't think the OL run or pass blocked well all game.

Tomlin said at his post-game presser he knew there was a high risk the call and non-call would be overturned. He felt the gamble was worth it. Who knew Vinateri would miss a chip shot FG? FWIW, Chris Hoke said on the NSC call-in that someone had a pic of the laces facing Vinateri when he kicked, so the botch might have been on the holder.

Rudolph was impressive in his presser. He explained all the routes and coverages Indy was in when talking about why he did what he did. Not in 15 years has BR ever explained anything to that level of detail.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 03, 2019, 07:11:07 PM
They actually showed it after the missed kick that the laces were facing in towards the kicker. Actually they showed the holder turning the laces in! Definitely on the holder
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: emm8 on November 03, 2019, 09:59:59 PM

They actually showed it after the missed kick that the laces were facing in towards the kicker. Actually they showed the holder turning the laces in! Definitely on the holder


JMO,

They did suggest (and then show) that the laces were facing the kicker, but I'm not sure that even Vinatieri would suggest that it was enough to have yanked it that badly.  I think what really happened was that his plant foot slipped forward just a tad on the sod, and it ended up sliding just slightly too close to the ball.  That slip caused him to catch the ground with his kicking leg...and thus the duck hook.  He probably should have tried to abort the kick all together, and scramble or throw a pass, but was too far into his motion to even do that...so he just let it fly as is.  I'd like to hear what (if anything) he says about it.  I'm sure he'll get asked.

As to the PI call that wasn't ruled as uncatchable.  I think there was definitely enough contact to call the PI if the refs deemed the ball catchable, but there's no way it was.  It landed a clear 5 yds or more away.  Watch the receivers head following the ball.  First he's looking back for the ball, then he's looking straight over his head for it, and then he's staring towards the end zone as it sailed way out of reach.  If it was anywhere close to catchable, he'd still have been looking up for it.   

Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on November 04, 2019, 05:53:07 AM
I agree that for a kick to be shanked that badly, Vinatieri's plant foot probably slipped. The grass at Heinz Field is notoriously bad and that end of the field has been problematic for PKs since the place opened.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on November 07, 2019, 03:47:24 PM
yeah he shanked that bad. Pretty much all 3 of them made mistakes on that, not a great snap, poor hold, and Vinatieri didn't kick it right. That is all about muscle memory and timing between those 3, little mistake with snap can turn into a chain reaction of errors.

Not only were the laces in but he didn't have it at a great angle either when the GOAT struck the ball
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on November 11, 2019, 05:06:47 AM
Shout out to the maligned (by Steelers fans) Mike Tomlin and the mostly deservingly maligned Keith Butler.

This offense is putrid, they haven't had a passing game this ineffective in nearly two decades (you would have to predate Maddox for example), and they are banged up at RB, but they keep winning games thanks for that defense. This defense is fun to watch, and while teeing off on the Dolphins or Bengals may not be impressive, the Rams are a well coached offensive focused team. Really the Rams only drove the ball once, while the Steelers offense provided the Rams with most of their scoring.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on November 11, 2019, 07:27:29 AM
Was at the game, it was the most fun I've had for awhile. The fans were really into it and there were few to no empty seats up where I am in peanut heaven. This is a real fun team to watch, too. You can tell how tight they are as a team with 2 of the drama queens gone and the other on IR. The offense is ok and they chewed up a lot of clock on their last drive that resulted in Boswell's FG. The run game is paying the price for an offense that built around BR's preference for passing. The WRs did not help Rudolph as they dropped 4 or 5 throws that were not only catchable, but that hit them in the hands. Although Washington did make a terrific catch on the TD.

The defense is starting to be something special. And what a difference Fitzpatrick has made in the secondary. He has completely calmed things down. Quietly, Steven Nelson has become a shutdown corner. It says something that offenses are targeting Hayden, who had 1 pick and should've had another, instead. If Tuitt hadn't gotten hurt, the defense would be even better.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Nicky on November 11, 2019, 09:04:49 AM
I don't post much in these professional sports areas of the PSB, but this is an easy group to root for.  Like bfgrad says, you can feel the "team" aspect of the players.  Hopefully Conner can come back and give them a spark.  And if the WRs can just hang on to the easy catches, that'd make a difference too.  Looking forward to Thursday night!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on November 11, 2019, 09:47:46 AM
Yes adding Nelson and Fitzpatrick with the natural progression of Edmonds has turned the secondary from a weakness to a strength in short order.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 11, 2019, 10:09:44 AM
Steelers have a really good chance of going 6-1 to finish the season and who knows, if the Ravens have nothing to play for in the last game maybe they rest some players? Probably not though since they are playing the Steelers
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on November 11, 2019, 01:28:11 PM
I think it was during the Pats game that one of the TV announcers quoted Harbaugh or someone in the Balt organization that they are always drafting and/or signing players with beating the Steelers in mind. So, neither team's going to take it easy on the other.  :)

I think the Steelers have a good chance to win most of their remaining games if they get past Clev on Thursday. It looks like the Bengals have just quit. AZ and NYJ are on the road, but winnable games. Then there are 2 remaining home games vs Clev and Buffalo.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on November 11, 2019, 04:52:50 PM
I'm worried about this Cleveland game. Browns stink but I have a feeling that Steelers will have to keep winning with defensive TDs and field goals after turnovers. Browns are better on paper at least.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on November 11, 2019, 06:19:11 PM
I don't think Rudolph and the offense are getting enough credit for the FG drive that was started with about 10:30 left in the 4th qtr and ended with about 2:30 left. That drive essentially won the game by making LAR have to score a TD to win. On that drive, iirc, Mason was 6 of 7 including a completion on 4th down that kept the drive going. They had the ball long enough for the D to get a breather between possessions, too.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on November 14, 2019, 09:42:16 PM
It's pretty sad when I have to look forward to Pitt/Kenny Pickett for inspired qb play from a Pittsburgh QB.

Rudolph and the Steelers offense is putrid once again. Only way I see Steelers winning this game is 2 defensive TDs at this point.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on November 14, 2019, 10:36:43 PM
Well a defensive TD or an offensive one assisted by 4 defensive penalties on the same drive.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 14, 2019, 10:37:58 PM
Steelers score finally to cut the Browns lead to 14-7 but the only reason they scored was the Browns were called for 4 defensive penalties on the Steelers drive. 2 calls were very questionable IMO
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 14, 2019, 10:57:48 PM
This game is hard to watch. Yes there is a lot of contact between both the Pittsburgh receivers and the Browns secondary but they are just diving trying to get a flag! This is like watching a bad soccer game where players are diving all over the field
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 14, 2019, 11:16:57 PM
Wow! What a bad throw by Rudolph
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on November 14, 2019, 11:20:00 PM
Both these teams look awful on offense. The Browns are so undisciplined and I know he has limited weapons, but Rudolph has been bad.

Cleveland 21
Pittsburgh 7
Late 4th

Steelers might want to call Dez Bryant, TO, Ajai, and send someone to watch Kapernick. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 14, 2019, 11:26:54 PM
Another horrible throw from Rudolph
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on November 14, 2019, 11:38:48 PM
Browns are a talented team with a HORRIBLE coach and a bad QB.

Tonight might be the beginning of the end of any thought Rudolph is the future starting QB. His pocket presence isnít good enough.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on November 14, 2019, 11:43:02 PM
Miles Garrettís season should be over as he ripped the helmet off Rudolph and swing it and him in the head.  That lead to a massive fight where Pouncey will likely get suspended for kicking Garrett after the play. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 14, 2019, 11:45:53 PM
Miles Garrettís season should be over as he ripped the helmet off Rudolph and swing it and him in the head.  That lead to a massive fight where Pouncey will likely get suspended for kicking Garrett after the play.

Garrett and Pouncey will be seeing multiple game suspensions
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on November 15, 2019, 12:09:55 AM
Iím thinking 16 games for Garrett.

Kitchens should be fired by the NFL as well. He is the absolute worst coach Iíve ever seen.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on November 15, 2019, 12:14:40 AM
Guess I missed this as I tuned into the Pitt game for some offense.  Did the Steelers win the fight?
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on November 15, 2019, 12:16:20 AM
They won because the best player on the Browns wonít be around for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on November 15, 2019, 01:04:55 AM
The last thing Iíd like to add is that owners of both franchises should go to that jerk Goodell and say we want this resolved by tomorrow. Donít turn this into a soap opera through the weekend until Tuesday or Wednesday. Whatever they decide can be done in a few hours tomorrow so everybody can move on.

I think Pouncey and the guy on the Browns get 2 games. And Garrett gets 16. I think this might be a Ron Artest type moment for the NFL.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on November 15, 2019, 06:32:50 AM
When Rudolph's pass bounced off the helmet of his wr downfield and was intercepted, you knew it wasn't going to be the Steeler's night.

I think some of the overreaction should be tempered by the fact this was a national TV game for the Browns in about forever, they hadn't beaten the Steelers in 9 straight games, they were psyched up for the Steelers and the Steelers had just come off a big win vs LAR on a short week. I know Cleveland's just a 2 hr hop from Pittsburgh, but still a road game. I wasn't suprised the Steelers lost in the least.

Rudolph will be fine. He's a first year qb and going to have ups and downs. I do think the offense has to be rebuilt with more balance in mind, to be less pass heavy and that's regardless of who is at qb.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on November 15, 2019, 06:56:00 AM
His lack of pocket presence was alarmingly bad. Even if the deck was stacked against him. For the first time Iím concerned heís not a long term answer.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on November 15, 2019, 07:22:28 AM
I think that's just a matter of experience. Further, to me, it looks like the pass blocking is not as good as previous seasons. No receiver who demands double coverage like AB probably hurts him as has the play-calling that's still geared toward the guy on IR, not the qb actually in the game. Honestly, Fichtner should be fired after the season and who cares if BR is offended. He can retire if he doesn't like it.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 15, 2019, 07:52:20 AM
I think that's just a matter of experience. Further, to me, it looks like the pass blocking is not as good as previous seasons. No receiver who demands double coverage like AB probably hurts him as has the play-calling that's still geared toward the guy on IR, not the qb actually in the game. Honestly, Fichtner should be fired after the season and who cares if BR is offended. He can retire if he doesn't like it.


Agree on this point. This all can't be put on Rudolph. The offensive line looked horrible last night. You probably could've had any QB under center for the Steelers and they were gonna have a bad night the way that line was playing
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on November 15, 2019, 09:24:00 AM
The pass blocking was not great last night but I think that even they get frustrated trying to protect a passer who simply is ineffective. If Villaneuva was the worst player on the field last night (I would argue that he unquestionably was), Mason was probably second. Of course it isn't all on him, but his pocket presence is horrendous and his decision making is way too slow. It can be chalked up to experience possibly, or him maybe just not "having it." I see a little bit of both. The Browns kind of showed a nice recipe for beating the Steelers...get a two score lead and still defend the run and make Mason Rudolph beat you. Aside from the 4 penalty drive, Rudolph was no where close to beating the Browns. Anyone who thinks that this team is somehow better off without Ben is outing themselves as a Ben hater (which admittedly that is something that these people do not mask anyways). Mason Rudolph is not a future NFL regular starter, not here not anywhere.

Regarding the Miles Garrett play to the credit of the local Cleveland media where I live as well as Baker Mayfield in the post game on field in the moment interview with Erin Andrews, they are not downplaying the severity of it AT ALL, at least to any point that I have seen yet. I stayed up for a few minutes of the late local news and saw a bit more of the am news and they all are making the point that this definitely dampens a win for both the team and their fans (which any win here against the Steelers is a big deal, even in a game in which Cleveland was favored as they were last night). I don't think that they will see this as a 16 game suspension the same way that some of you do, but that part we will just have to see. Regarding Baker Mayfield, I did gain some respect from him in the moment. He pitches himself as "honest" and someone who "tells it like it is." In an era of political tribalism for example as well as people talking over one another in sports talk (think that popularity of Stephen A. Smith or Skip Bayless for example), Mayfield with his statements that what Garrett did was unacceptable and this it hurts the team and that we (the Browns) need to quit doing this to ourselves hit the nail on the head while not simple giving his base some red meat to chew on the same way that a politician may snow his or her fans into "being honest" or the same way that a Mark Madden "tells it as it is." I applaud Baker for his in the moment analysis of the situation. Miles Garrett is a GREAT player and this hurts them to the same magnitude that the Steelers were hurt losing Shazier a couple of years ago. The Browns are finished in 2019.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on November 15, 2019, 12:15:48 PM
Handed down today:

Garrett gets indefinite ban, Pouncey 3 games, and Ogunjobi gets 1 game. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on November 15, 2019, 12:21:26 PM
Garrett suspended indefinitely meaning at least the balance of the regular season and playoffs should Clev make them. He will have to apply for reinstatement and meet personally with Goodell before he even has a chance to play again.

Pouncey got 3 games, the other Cleveland guy got 1 game. I can understand Pouncey going bananas after seeing Garrett hit Rudolph with his own helmet, throwing a few punches is one thing, but you cannot kick anyone in the head, even if Garrett did still have his helmet on.

YIG, as for the offense, don't forget all the skill players are still very young. Connor's in this 3rd year (2nd as starter), Samuels his 2nd, Snell his 1st, Rudolph his 2nd (and 1st as the back up), Washington his 2nd, Johnson his 1st, JuJu his 3rd and 1st as primary wr. This is their first year as a group playing together. The biggest disappointment has been the play of the OL and they are the most experienced and awarded unit. We have to acknowledge that the OL was built for the kind of pass heavy offense BR preferred. Bell fit perfectly because of his hesitating running style where the OL didn't have to steamroll opposing front 7s. They haven't been able to switch gears and just overpower opponents to run the ball to suit the way Connor and Snell and even Edwards run and to help keep pressure off Rudolph.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on November 15, 2019, 01:20:51 PM
Kudos to the NFL for doing this in a timely manner.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 15, 2019, 03:01:01 PM
They are also still looking into fining Rudolph
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on November 15, 2019, 03:41:19 PM
They already punished the Steelers enough by not suspending Rudolph.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on November 15, 2019, 04:00:55 PM
They are also still looking into fining Rudolph
Oh, how I love that some people are making this all Rudoph's fault for fighttng to get off the ground with that jerk pushing him into the dirt.  Unbelieveable......
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on November 15, 2019, 04:14:07 PM
They are also still looking into fining Rudolph
Oh, how I love that some people are making this all Rudoph's fault for fighttng to get off the ground with that jerk pushing him into the dirt.  Unbelieveable......

Max Kellerman placed blame on Rudolph this morning for starting the whole thing and they ďchargingĒ Garrett.  Stephen A Smith basically called Kellerman a fool as did the other guest they had on the show. 

I was floored.  If Garrett had just punched Rudolph then I can see people saying he got what he deserved, but this went way beyond a normal NFL fight.  Garrett could have killed Rudolph if that helmet lands any other way.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on November 15, 2019, 05:37:44 PM
They are also still looking into fining Rudolph
Oh, how I love that some people are making this all Rudoph's fault for fighttng to get off the ground with that jerk pushing him into the dirt.  Unbelieveable......


Iím not saying that it was Rudolphís fault. I was just stating what I heard on 93.7
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on November 15, 2019, 06:40:42 PM
They are also still looking into fining Rudolph
Oh, how I love that some people are making this all Rudoph's fault for fighttng to get off the ground with that jerk pushing him into the dirt.  Unbelieveable......

Lol...living in Cleveland that does seem like a consensus up here (that Rudolph should be suspended for at least a game).

In terms of the report from up here by Lake Erie...

I have heard it a lot both ways today. For instance on Channel 19 news they had a demonstration of the G-force from a helmet swing on a mannequin head that almost reminded me of the PSI meter on Rocky IV when Ivan Drago is training. It was just amusing. While watching how dangerous this Gforce really was at the bottom of the screen was a fan poll "Was Garrett's punishment fair or unfair" with 26% saying fair while 74% unfair (implying too harsh). Kind of puts into perspective what Browns fans think of this ordeal.

In terms of actual chatter with my colleagues and my workers, it seems mixed also. Everyone agrees that what Garrett did was out of line but many seem to think that the 6 games plus is overkill. With that said there is a lot more chatter here about Rudolph instigating. They are melting down some because no punishment was handed down to him YET, but I keep telling anyone that will listen that he will probably be fined, not suspended, which is appropriate IMO. As I mentioned above Browns en toto seem to want Rudolph suspended for a game (which to BT's point from a Steelers' perspective oh well lol). The other two suspensions they are fine with.

Regarding the aftermath, the mood is not much different in person from what I reported this morning...the feeling is not the elation of beating the Steelers and setting themselves up for a possible run at the playoffs. Losing Garrett hurts the Browns big time. Fans also blaming their coach Freddie Kitchens for his lack of control of this team (they do take a lot of penalties...end of the game exhibit A, gifting the Steelers their only TD exhibit B). In years past this win made the weekend at least for the fans, but today felt like no day that I have felt here in terms of good or bad vibes from Clevelanders. The aftermath of this game was not as bad as their worst (The Drive, The Fumble, The Shot The Move, Game 7 of the 1997 World Series, The Dwayne Ruud helmet toss game, Bottlegate, losing LeBron the first time) and surely not as good as their best (the Cavs Championship, the countless good Tribe memories, the Browns moments that lead to their bad moments). Probably more like losing LeBron the second time on the misery scale.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on November 15, 2019, 06:46:43 PM
Punishment for the Steelers is not suspending him and allowing Tomlin to trot him back out there in two weeks.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on November 15, 2019, 06:50:34 PM
There's always a columinist or two who take the contrarian view for shock value, views, ratings. Chris Mueller, Tim Benz, Filliponi, Madden all do this, too.

I'm sure Garrett was trying to rub it in, Rudolph didn't like it and pushed back. That in no way excuses Garrett ripping off Rudolph's helmet and hitting him with it. This is made worse because Rudolph is only a couple games returned from an earlier concussion. Todd Haley was quoted in the Trib as saying this behavior is condoned by the Clev coaching staff and he saw it when he was there.

I'll just add if the NFL was as concerned about player safety as they claim, they'd dump the Thursday games altogether.