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Title: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on August 09, 2019, 05:38:59 PM
To me the biggest story of the season is can Ben prove himself correct by winning the AFC North calling whatever plays he wants to.

For the entirety of Todd Haleyís tenure they made the playoffs. When Ben handpicked his OC they immediately missed them.

For whatever reason the local fans and media have completely ignored this. So maybe Iím crazy and there is no correlation. Think we will learn more this season.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on August 09, 2019, 11:12:53 PM
FWIW, agree with you.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on August 09, 2019, 11:21:42 PM
The first half zipped along in a hour, but the 2nd half was ugly with all the subs, flags, challenges, reviews.

Thought all the qbs looked good, poised under center and in the pocket for Dobbs and Rudolph, but Hodges worked only from the shotgun. Washington made really nice catches with his hands. Boswell made all his kicks, right down the middle.

I was interested to see how Buggs did at DT and he was (good) noticeable. Layne looked overmatched. Bush and Barron were around the ball, but they both seemed not completely in sync.

Arians is an a$$.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Downriver on August 10, 2019, 02:45:13 PM
As a Steeler fan I'm so glad Antonio Brown is the Raiders problem now.  They saved 50 mil and got two draft picks and all the Raiders got was his bad attitude and the possibility he'll never suit up for them.  I'm loving this.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: emm8 on August 10, 2019, 03:26:09 PM
As a Steeler fan I'm so glad Antonio Brown is the Raiders problem now.  They saved 50 mil and got two draft picks and all the Raiders got was his bad attitude and the possibility he'll never suit up for them.  I'm loving this.

I get the sentiment, but until we see how good (or bad) the Steeler passing/receiving game turns out to be, I'll reserve judgement for now; but yes, the subtraction of the drama is refreshing.  How much of that drama is contrived for the "Hardknocks" promotion; or just his personal publicity machine, also is undecipherable at this point in time.  Time may tell.

The Raiders new brain trust of Gruden and GM Mayock (the NFL Network supposed combine genius) were made out to have fleeced the Steeler brass in the trade.  Time WILL tell on that front too.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on August 10, 2019, 03:44:22 PM
Also Iím not defending Todd Haley. More defending anybody who may be qualified to be an NFL offensive coordinator and that is not a handpicked stooge by BR himself.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on August 10, 2019, 04:14:45 PM
BR has gotten his way with his preferred OC, Fichtner, who will let him do what he wants. BR wanted to be the ringmaster of the offense and now he is. If the offense flops, that's on BR. Madden had a ridiculous column in the Trib the other day pinning the success of the entire season on Chris Boswell. The season doesn't ride on the PK, the defense or STs, it's strictly on the shoulders of the guy who wanted his way and got it. He will have to put up or shut up.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on August 10, 2019, 06:46:22 PM
If anybody is upset that the Steelers got rid of AB and donít forget about Bell, the question that needs to be asked is what did they win with them here and the answer is nothing so use that money you are saving and resign players and move up in the draft and get players like Bush

I also think that if the Steelers disappoint this year a lot of the blame will have to go to Ben. He has gotten everything he wants with this offense and if they falter, he will have no excuses. I also think it would be smart for Tomlin to tell Ben no more Tuesday show on the Fan with Cook!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KernKraft400 on August 10, 2019, 08:19:56 PM
Midseason form here in the PSB.  Blaming an entire season that hasn't started yet on Ben. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on August 10, 2019, 09:04:35 PM
Well itís a lot more insightful than reading newspaper columns blaming things on a kicker.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Downriver on August 10, 2019, 11:16:46 PM
Midseason form here in the PSB.  Blaming an entire season that hasn't started yet on Ben.

 ;D ;D ;D Yeah, but that's what makes the PSB unique!!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on August 11, 2019, 07:57:17 AM
Can't speak for hs, but BR spent most of Haley's tenure trying to undermine him because BR was unhappy his buddy Arians got fired. This despite changes that kept BR upright and are at least partly the reason BR's career is still going. Now BR can run his preferred style of offense, passing most of the time and ignoring the run. If the offense sputters, no excuses accepted.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on August 11, 2019, 03:32:49 PM
Steeler WR coach Darryl Drake passed away unexpectedly at age 62.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on August 11, 2019, 04:44:12 PM
Very sad news regarding Coach Drake. My thoughts and prayers are with his family.

Regarding Ben vs Haley vs Ben and Fichtner, I'm not as concerned about that as I am no Munchak. I think that if the offense fails this season, it will be a downgrade at OL coach more so than being removed from a supposed downgrade in play callers. I actually personally liked Haley's offense as well, but he obviously isn't the highest regarded around the league, either, as he is currently unemployed after his disastrous tenure in Cleveland where the offense immediately improved considerably under his successor.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on August 12, 2019, 06:59:45 PM
I expect Ben to want to prove something this year after the drama last year and Brown and Bell leaving. So I wouldn't be shocked if he has a big year, I also wouldn't be shocked if he threw 25 interceptions, could go either way. I like the RB trio but they still haven't replaced Bell's receiving yards, and probably wont but Connor as the workhorse and Samuels catching balls should work well again  . They really need Vance McDonald to stay healthy and be  there as a checkdown option, he's the only TE on the roster that can be a threat after  he catches the ball.

Expecting a much improved defense with Shazier finally being replaced and for some of these younger secondary guys like Davis, Sutton, Hilton, etc I'm hoping they have good seasons. It's time for Davis to take the next step and become one of the better safeties in the league or it's time to scout his replacement. Burns' seems to be done.... in PGH at least
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 05, 2019, 01:18:41 PM
Not Steelers related, but I am sure they are laughing:

The Oakland Raiders are set to suspend Antonio Brown after getting into a blow-up with GM, Mike Mayock on Wednesday. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 05, 2019, 06:25:45 PM
Not Steelers related, but I am sure they are laughing:

The Oakland Raiders are set to suspend Antonio Brown after getting into a blow-up with GM, Mike Mayock on Wednesday.


If I had any money I would put some on the Raiders releasing AB before the season is over and them saying he violated a morals clause in his contract and AB not getting or having to return his guaranteed money
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 05, 2019, 07:02:32 PM
He obviously doesnít want to play for them, or maybe he even doesnít want to play period.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 05, 2019, 07:28:20 PM
I hope that he does not get released. You just know that either the Patriots or Browns would sign him probably for the veteran's minimum (especially New England) and he would come back to haunt the Steelers. With that said I could see him being a cancer/poison on Cleveland. Belichick however would not allow that.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Downriver on September 05, 2019, 11:46:35 PM
He may have screwed himself big time.  So far the Raiders haven't paid him a cent and he's already out a half million because he didn't meet the training camp requirements in his contract.  Throw in another chunk from the $54,000 in fines and he's losing more.

That being said, fines should be the least of Brown's worries right now and that's because he's now facing a team suspension. If the Raiders go that route, there's a chance that Brown could end up seeing the rest of his guaranteed money voided, which means he'd lose out on $29.625 million after already losing out on $500,000. Once the money is voided, the Raiders could theoretically cut him without taking any sort of salary cap hit.

The Raiders have basically been dealing with Brown's drama since the day he arrived in Oakland, and it's starting to feel like the only way this drama is going to end is if the team gets rid of him.

Given his history in Pittsburgh and now Oakland, teams would be nuts to offer him any huge contract.  He's proven to be pure poison.

Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on September 06, 2019, 11:17:38 AM
I have said a number of times that AB is suffering from the brain disorder that has effected a number of other players.  When they autopsy his brain, they will find evidence of it.  He is going thru a sort early onset.  IMHO
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 06, 2019, 02:43:00 PM
In another twist to the sage, Brown apologized to the team today and apparently will be playing on Monday Night.

My opinion is that Gruden wants Brown playing while Mayock probably wanted a suspension and it is clear that Gruden is running things. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 06, 2019, 05:27:36 PM
Gruden is making $10 million/year so yes that makes sense.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 07, 2019, 10:19:31 AM
I canít keep up with all the twists:

AB YouTube page released a video/commercial where he played apparent recordings he had with Gruden.

The Raiders then fined Brown and voided his guarantees.

Brown posted on the Instagram for the Raiders to release him. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 07, 2019, 10:20:38 AM
He has played his last NFL game.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Downriver on September 07, 2019, 11:16:09 AM
This is great.  Those two draft picks the Steelers got are looking better every day!!  Anyone that signs AB once he is released is not going to give him a huge contract without all kind of clauses.  It's absolutely amazing how stupid some of these athletes can be.  If someone wanted to pay me 30 mil and all I had to do was keep my mouth shut and play, I'd be there in a heartbeat!!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 07, 2019, 11:36:45 AM
Exactly! Just Dwayne Bowe it (earn the big contract then play poorly) if nothing else.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 07, 2019, 12:05:07 PM
The Raiders have released Antonio Brown. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: emm8 on September 07, 2019, 01:32:54 PM
The Raiders have released Antonio Brown.

He probably made the decision early on that the Raiders weren't very good, and could force his way out to free agency.  He may have to take a little less $, and less guaranteed $, but he'll play again.

That said, I do believe he'll be one of the guys you read about 10 years after retiring that's down and out, and got nothing but troubles and unpaid bills.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Downriver on September 07, 2019, 01:39:43 PM
Was just watching some of the talking heads and Pete Prisco asked several GM's if they'd sign AB and they laughed at him.  It's starting to look like anyone that is even considering it will only go one year with nothing guaranteed.  Given his antics that go back to 2012 with the Steelers after they gave him his first big contract, looks like he's finally screwed himself permanently.   
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 07, 2019, 01:44:25 PM
Emm8,

I in no way think that AB was playing 4th dimensional chess with the Raiders, much like the conspiracy theorists who felt that he orchestrated the trade out of PGH just for the guaranteed money. In no universe can I imagine an athlete throwing away $30 million guaranteed money.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 07, 2019, 01:53:07 PM
I also think he doesnít want to practice, go to meetings or be involved in any sort of organized team functions besides playing in games. So that would also make him that much more of a long shot to go anywhere.

He keeps jabbering about how his talent outshines any system. To me that means he in no way wants to conform to any team and only wants to show up on Sunday.

He might get signed but I doubt it. And do t tho k heís playing in a game ever again.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 07, 2019, 03:47:00 PM
Watch AB end up in NE.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 07, 2019, 03:57:20 PM
Watch AB end up in NE.

Agreed. He is still a ridiculous talent he will play somewhere.

Good thing though he is ineligible for Week 1 at this point so the fear of him playing tomorrow night vs Steelers at least will not be realized
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on September 07, 2019, 04:53:54 PM
I don't think the NE coach jputs up with idiots.  And, you know AB would just disrupt his successful system.  No team will take him and he will file a collusion lawsuit..let hid move his act to Canada.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 07, 2019, 05:11:42 PM
Patriots signs Brown to 1 year deal.

1 year deal up to 15 million and 9 million guaranteed. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 07, 2019, 05:50:25 PM
I don't think the NE coach jputs up with idiots.  And, you know AB would just disrupt his successful system.  No team will take him and he will file a collusion lawsuit..let hid move his act to Canada.

Part of his schtick is putting up with (and correcting behaviors) of idiots. Especially at WR.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 07, 2019, 05:55:10 PM
Also, one reason that I called this a few days ago is that Antonio Brown is actually one of the hardest workers in the entire league. That in part is why this past 5 weeks in Oakland has seemed out of character. Brown's "character issues" have been more personal as well as social media related.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bftigers on September 07, 2019, 06:24:50 PM
He has played his last NFL game.

This post above aged well.....
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Downriver on September 07, 2019, 06:26:59 PM
He has played his last NFL game.

This post above aged well.....

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 07, 2019, 07:33:19 PM
He has played his last NFL game.

This post above aged well.....

Lol
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 08, 2019, 07:31:37 PM
I guess you can take it with a grain of salt since they were playing Miami but the Ravens looked a lot better than I thought they would.

Browns looked just awful today as they got their doors blown off by Tennessee

Bengals lost a close one to the Seahawks. They looked like a middle of the road team IMO. Theyíll win some games and probably sneak up on some teams but Iím not expecting too much from them
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 08, 2019, 09:01:39 PM
As expected, Brady slicing and dicing the Steelers despite a patchwork OL and no Gronkowski. Future HoF qb on the other side looks clueless. TOP NE 11:30, Pgh 6:30.

As usual, the 10 minutes of playing time the "starters" get in preseason is coming back to bite the Steelers.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 08, 2019, 09:28:40 PM
Stop me if you heard this before but Steelers getting embarrassed in New England.  Offense looks tentative and running pitches like crazy.

No pressure on Brady and defense getting eaten up by play action. 

NE 17
Pitt 0
2nd Quarter

Steelers need to score here in the last 4 minutes.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 08, 2019, 09:33:17 PM
BR has 37 yards passing. LOL! Can't wait to hear Madden defend this jabroni on his show tomorrow.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 08, 2019, 09:43:39 PM
Dropped pass by Montcrief on 4th and 1 gives NE a shirt field and Steelers canít get off the field on 3rd down again. 

Only leads to a FG thankfully.

NE 20
Pittsburgh 0

Offense looks lost without AB as JuJu is being smothered and nobody else is open.  Running game is struggling. Defense is getting carved up on crossing routes and play action with guys open all over the field. 

Plus Pats get AB starting tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 08, 2019, 10:02:08 PM
The offense is entirely BR's responsibility. He got the OC he wanted, he helped usher AB out the door and now BR owns it 100%. And our 6'5" 240lb qb still can't bring himself to run a qb sneak on 4th and 1 behind his all-pros C and RG.

But, frankly, I am tired of the NFL sending the Steelers up to NE to be the sacrificial lambs the 1st game of the season.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 08, 2019, 10:03:23 PM
We have a James Washington sighting on a deep pass.  Then Montcrief drops a TD. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 08, 2019, 10:16:24 PM
Brady 58 yard TD pass to another wide open receiver.   

Different year, same story in NE.  They own Pittsburgh.  Brady could play against this defense in his sleep.  Still waiting for him to throw a pick in NE against the Steelers.

And again, this team gets AB tomorrow. 

NE 27
Pittsburgh 3
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 08, 2019, 10:28:02 PM
This is only the 3rd time in 18 seasons the Steelers have played at NE in week 1. Thatís a pretty week excuse.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 08, 2019, 10:30:06 PM
Secondary still getting torched as another deep ball Gordon.  He makes a tough catch while Montcrief is dropping balls on 4th down and in the end zone. Patriots are just dominating in every fashion.

Patriots play Miami next week.  We may get get a record point spread in that one.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 08, 2019, 10:48:12 PM
Ben proving to be a big zero without AB. Meanwhile Brady completes passes to guys Belichek brings in off the street 5 minutes before game time.

When your offense manages to score a whooping 3 pts and can't sustain a drive, the defense is not really to blame.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 08, 2019, 10:59:08 PM
This is only the 3rd time in 18 seasons the Steelers have played at NE in week 1. Thatís a pretty week excuse.

Steelers opened in NE in 2002, after NE won 2001 season SB, in 2015 after NE won 2014 season SB, 2019 after NE won the 2018 season SB. So for 3 of NE's 6 championships, the Steelers have had to open the season in Foxboro.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 08, 2019, 10:59:36 PM
Ben proving to be a big zero without AB. Meanwhile Brady completes passes to guys Belichek brings in off the street 5 minutes before game time.

When your offense manages to score a whooping 3 pts and can't sustain a drive, the defense is not really to blame.

Plenty of blame to go around for everyone.  Steelers lost again on defense as they bit on play action and canít stop crossing routes. Brady has also had wide open receivers which kind of makes things a bit easier.  Also Brady does have Edelman and Gordon (who is a Great WR when not getting busted for weed).

Steelers offense has been timid and no clue what they are trying with the running game. Montcrief canít catch a football and JuJu has been handled.  Nothing from the TE as Chung has shit down McDonald.

Coaching has been bad as the apparently have no desire on running on short distance. 

Also Ben won 2 Super Bowls without AB so he is more than a 0 without him. 

This is just an ugly game that canít be blamed on one person, no matter how much he is hated. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 08, 2019, 11:00:41 PM
This is only the 3rd time in 18 seasons the Steelers have played at NE in week 1. Thatís a pretty week excuse.

Steelers opened in NE in 2002, after NE won 2001 season SB, in 2015 after NE won 2014 season SB, 2019 after NE won the 2018 season SB. So for 3 of NE's 6 championships, the Steelers have had to open the season in Foxboro.

Itís all about ratings and Steelers draw ratings. Of the 8 home games they played obviously Steelers game was most attractive.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on September 08, 2019, 11:07:41 PM
Excuse me..did I miss something?  Are all the Steeler running backs hurt of something? I have not seen any runnning formations.
BTW..if you want to know why Brady is the top QB and Ben is not.  When NE is on defense..Brady is on sideline talking to a coach..looking at  pictures...studying the game. Ben stands like a wooden Indian..alone not talking to anyone. Sick of watching Tomlin just staring at the field, too.  DO SOMETHING!!!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 08, 2019, 11:36:50 PM
Honestly, there is nothing Tomlin can do about BR. BR was already established when Tomlin arrived as a 35 yr old head coach. Worse, the Rooneys and Colbert believed, and still believe, BR is a "franchise qb". Were Tomlin to get into a power struggle with BR, he would lose as the Rooneys and Colbert would side with BR. BR has friends in the media like Mark Madden who will do his dirty work for him dissing whoever needs to be dissed in order for BR to be absolved of blame when things go bad, too. IMHO, this is how he got rid of Haley, lots of whispers into friendly media ears.

Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 09, 2019, 04:50:48 AM
Don't forget how bad the defense plays. Probably about time to start talking about Keith Butler and what he is doing as a defensive coordinator. Everything I have heard was saying that this defense got the speed they needed and Brady just torched them

Only the first game but man did the Steelers look bad!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 09, 2019, 06:40:31 AM
Iím not certain AB will play yet. He still has to go to practice and other team functions. Avoid posting anything dumb on social media. Donít underestimate him.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 09, 2019, 07:44:31 AM
Iím not certain AB will play yet. He still has to go to practice and other team functions. Avoid posting anything dumb on social media. Donít underestimate him.


The funny thing is as what was said earlier, the Patriots look like they don't even need AB after that first game. Gordon, Dorsett and Edellman looked really good last night and they even have White and Burkhead that are good receivers out of the backfield. Maybe AB will see this and he will realize after a game or two that he is not the first option for this team and then start his antics all over again. I doubt he will be quiet and just be happy to be on a championship caliber team. We all know he is in it for his stats and not for the team 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 09, 2019, 07:48:44 AM
Excuse me..did I miss something?  Are all the Steeler running backs hurt of something? I have not seen any runnning formations.
BTW..if you want to know why Brady is the top QB and Ben is not.  When NE is on defense..Brady is on sideline talking to a coach..looking at  pictures...studying the game. Ben stands like a wooden Indian..alone not talking to anyone. Sick of watching Tomlin just staring at the field, too.  DO SOMETHING!!!


Couldn't agree more with this. I brought this up a few seasons ago and got torched by a few people but you see this every game from these two. And when you see the Steelers finally make a good play then you'll see Tomlin jumping up and down screaming at everyone. He's a ra ra coach that should be a defensive coordinator and not a head coach IMO
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 09, 2019, 08:55:53 AM
I think that everyone is melting down a bit to much. The Steelers stink in Foxboro even with their best of teams. As for last night I think that NWE played a really really good game even for them. Week 2 vs. Seattle will tell us more.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 09, 2019, 09:27:52 AM
I think that everyone is melting down a bit to much. The Steelers stink in Foxboro even with their best of teams. As for last night I think that NWE played a really really good game even for them. Week 2 vs. Seattle will tell us more.

16 other fan bases across the country are also melting down after week 1 and 16 others think the are winning the Super Bowl.  Got to love Monday morning after Week 1. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 09, 2019, 11:23:20 AM
Ron Cook was possibly the only person in North America who thought the Steelers would win. The loss wasn't particulary surprising on any level if truth be told.

The Steelers have a philosophy not to play their starters for any amount of meaningful snaps in the preseason. Basically, that's a month without playing. No matter how much a team tries to simulate game conditions in practice, it's just no substitute for playing. Invariably the Steelers struggle the first couple of games because of it. I think this season, especially because there are high expectations for the team, it would have made sense for the starters to see more action if only for BR to become better accustomed to his receivers and them to him. Also because they were opening in NE. To me, a good chunk of the disjointedness was a result of the rust a player gathers from not playing.

I think the success or failure of the Steelers rests on how the defense plays because the offense will struggle. BR isn't able to make average or less receivers look great ala Brady and neither he nor Fichtner have the patience to establish a running game.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 09, 2019, 11:33:08 AM
Ron Cook was possibly the only person in North America who thought the Steelers would win. The loss wasn't particulary surprising on any level if truth be told.

The Steelers have a philosophy not to play their starters for any amount of meaningful snaps in the preseason. Basically, that's a month without playing. No matter how much a team tries to simulate game conditions in practice, it's just no substitute for playing. Invariably the Steelers struggle the first couple of games because of it. I think this season, especially because there are high expectations for the team, it would have made sense for the starters to see more action if only for BR to become better accustomed to his receivers and them to him. Also because they were opening in NE. To me, a good chunk of the disjointedness was a result of the rust a player gathers from not playing.

I think the success or failure of the Steelers rests on how the defense plays because the offense will struggle. BR isn't able to make average or less receivers look great ala Brady and neither he nor Fichtner have the patience to establish a running game.


I saw a lot of people picking the Steelers to win and they were using the excuse of New England typically starts out slow because they also don't play their starters in the pre season. IMO, the Steelers were just not ready to play. They were outcoached and outmatched in every phase of the game
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 09, 2019, 11:54:26 AM
To BFfan, New England doesn't play their starters nor do the Rams, and those were the two Superbowl teams last season, so while you may be onto something, there is also a prevailing thought that preseason is totally useless. LA and New England both were fine yesterday as well.

Regarding people picking the Steelers, way too many people are overestimating "addition by subtraction" regarding no AB/no Bell. Like it or not, AB is a supremely talented WR and almost certainly the best Steelers WR of all time. Of course they miss his talent. Will the "subtraction" help them? Possibly some...a good locker room is a good thing, but remember, Brown had some friends in that locker room also. The thought that he is an a-hole a'la Ryan Leaf or Tom Barrasso is just a narrative that really is not true.

I actually DO still like the Steelers to win 10 or 11, and that would get them into the playoffs. But that's more along the lines of focusing on winning the games that they can. Like it or not they were not going into Foxboro on banner raising night and winning that game with Belichick essentially having MONTHS to prepare.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 09, 2019, 12:22:19 PM
Steelers grade Dobbs to Jags for 5th round pick.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: emm8 on September 09, 2019, 01:10:46 PM

We have a James Washington sighting on a deep pass.


Someone please explain to me how Washington doesn't score on this long catch.  After the catch, he takes 2 and 1/2 steps toward the goal line and then veers right (without any contact).  He had a 2 yard lead on the guy who was covering him, and the help over the top appears to have him measured to knock him out of bounds; but the guy took the wrong angle and was burned.  It appears Washington just went out to avoid the contact that wasn't going to happen.  Al Michaels is even praising Washington's speed as he makes the catch, and then..."exit stage right!"  I rewound it a few times last night, and then checked it again before posting today.  ?WTF?  ???

https://www.steelers.com/video/highlight-roethlisberger-hits-washington-in-stride
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 09, 2019, 04:06:53 PM
Steelers grade Dobbs to Jags for 5th round pick.

Really, Colbert should retire. You have a team pretty desperate for a qb and all you can get is a 5th round pick?
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 09, 2019, 07:22:52 PM
What would you expect for Dobbs? Seriously?

Just because the other GM is desperate doesn't mean that the other gm is a total idiot.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 09, 2019, 08:32:35 PM
Then maybe you don't make the trade. It's week 1, lots of things can happen, just like Foles getting hurt in the first game. You really want to see Devlin whatshisname behind center in a real game? No other team even thought enough of him to sign him to a practice squad. Colbert strikes again!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 09, 2019, 09:47:24 PM
The 3rd string QB doesnít matter. Your season is over if heís playing significant time.

Youíre not getting much value trading a 3rd stringer to a team that plans on using him as a backup.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bftigers on September 10, 2019, 11:34:19 AM
The 3rd string QB doesnít matter. Your season is over if heís playing significant time.

Youíre not getting much value trading a 3rd stringer to a team that plans on using him as a backup.

My gosh, I could not agree more.  If Ben goes down, Mason might be able to win a game or two, but the season would be over.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 10, 2019, 05:30:53 PM
I think thereís value to having a good backup. But there isnít value in the 3rd string. So essentially if you have a 3rd string QB with value to another franchise, that 5th round pick means more than holding onto a guy in case your top two QBs get injured.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 10, 2019, 09:29:42 PM
Newest AB twist: a former trainer has come forward with rape accusations. 

Again, BaldwinTrack could be right as we still have 5 more days to Sunday.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 11, 2019, 07:24:23 AM
Not making light of this at all. But with AB you just never can be too certain.

I hope for the sake of everybody involved that this isnít true but those text messages that came out are vile. Itís pretty disturbing that one human would talk to another like that even if there was no other action.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 11, 2019, 08:59:49 AM
Again, BaldwinTrack could be right as we still have 5 more days to Sunday.

haha...that's what all of us in PSB land are really watching out for.

Although keeping in mind a suspension doesn't mean that he never plays again, either. Also keep in mind that this is a Civil suit, so jail time is probably out of the question unless different charges are brought separately.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 12, 2019, 07:46:17 AM
I'm sure this will be settled out of court just like his past couple scrapes with the law were. Like the throwing of furniture of a balcony in Florida.

Goodell needs to put him on the exempt list and then the NFL needs to drag their feet on the investigation
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 12, 2019, 07:55:57 AM
Goodell needs to put him on the exempt list and then the NFL needs to drag their feet on the investigation

That's what I'm hoping for. The NFL generally does take these kinds of things seriously.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 12, 2019, 08:44:03 AM
Remember BR also had two allegations against him. Although he was suspended for 6, later reduced to 4 games at the request of the Rooneys, he seems to have survived that ordeal just fine in the eyes of most Steeler fans.

Don't know if the allegations against AB are true or not, but that this is a civil and not a criminal lawsuit, it makes me wonder if a settlement isn't the actual goal.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 12, 2019, 08:54:32 AM
RIP Sammy Davis, G on those great Steeler teams of the 70s. I went to a lot of games back then and enjoyed watching the OL/DL through my binoculars. That OL of Brown/Mullins/Webster/Davis/Kolb was the greatest ever in Steeler history, imho. They Steelers mostly run and passed blocked with just those 5. Bradshaw had plenty of time to look for Swan or Stallworth. Harris and Bleier found lots of holes, too.

I still remember the SB vs Dallas where Davis singlehandedly shut down Randy White, the Cowboy equivalent to Joe Green, and the tackles took care of Too Tall Jones for their part.

It's a shame Davis suffered a TBI from a serious fall that robbed him of a better retirement life.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 12:42:55 PM
CB Haden is active so hopefully we don't have to watch DK Metcalf smoke Artie all day

C Pouncey also active
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 15, 2019, 02:09:23 PM
Not sure if the Steelers just have an unusually bad group of WRs, they are still in a funk because their coach died unexpectedly, the plays/routes are poorly designed, they have no rapport with BR or what, but they sure cannot get open.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 15, 2019, 02:12:45 PM
AB catches a touchdown pass from Brady

He has 4 catches for 56 yards so far
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 02:17:57 PM
Not sure if the Steelers just have an unusually bad group of WRs, they are still in a funk because their coach died unexpectedly, the plays/routes are poorly designed, they have no rapport with BR or what, but they sure cannot get open.

when he does find one they drop it. Moncrief last week and Johnson dropped 1 already today.

looks like Ben + JuJu starting to get going
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 02:26:21 PM
lol these refs need to chill a bit, that's 2 really petty penalties I've seen called.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 02:28:52 PM
Barron looked really slow on that 30 yard grab by #17 Turner
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on September 15, 2019, 02:30:59 PM
Are the Steelers still going to go with their no running back offense that was so good at NE?
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 15, 2019, 02:54:15 PM
Ben is out. Mason Rudolph is in. Ben has what looks like an elbow injury?
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 03:25:36 PM
FOX couldn't find a play where he hit his elbow so maybe it's tendinitis or something
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 03:31:48 PM
Rudolph to McDonald 8yd TD. 2pc NO GOOD

Seahawks 21
Steelers 19 11:16 left
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 03:50:44 PM
Defense hasn't looked good in the 2nd half at all. Especially the secondary + Barron

Seahawks 28
Steelers 19

Moncrief's career in PGH probably over, hasn't came back in game since his dropped pass led to interception. 5 drops, AB had 3 drops in 15 games last year
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 15, 2019, 03:53:42 PM
Terrible reversal on the non-PI, but Dupree probably should've been called for a late hit/hit to the helmet on Wilson on the same play.

What happened to Sean Davis that Kelly's playing?

I think BR's had elbow problems for a few years now, but he and the medical staff likely have up until now been able to manage it. While he can still zip a ball in there when needed, I don't that goes for the majority of his throws anymore.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 03:55:41 PM
really wish Bush got that TD ;D

Down at 1 yard line
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 15, 2019, 03:57:06 PM
Is Washington playing?

The problem with the defense is the scheme, not the players. If the Steelers would just return to a 4-3. they could stuff the run and pressure the qb with any combo of Tuitt/Heyward/Hargrave/Alualu/McCullers/Buggs. The LBs could easily cover TEs/RBs with Bush/Watt/Barron. The secondary would take care of itself.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 04:00:29 PM
Rudolph to McDonald 1yd Td

Seahawks 28
Steelers 26 5:34
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 15, 2019, 04:05:50 PM
WR corps looks better with Montcrief and Switzer on the bench.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 04:07:10 PM
Is Washington playing?

The problem with the defense is the scheme, not the players. If the Steelers would just return to a 4-3. they could stuff the run and pressure the qb with any combo of Tuitt/Heyward/Hargrave/Alualu/McCullers/Buggs. The LBs could easily cover TEs/RBs with Bush/Watt/Barron. The secondary would take care of itself.

I think it's conditioning, Barron has been on the field a lot due to Williams injury, don't got an excuse for Edmunds, they looked good early in game and were making these plays in first half. Home opener, lots of hype, lot to make up for in wk1, maybe they spent themselves  Maybe they getting a 2nd wind after Bush gave them a boost

or Carrol & co. just made great adjustments

They have seven first round picks on this D and every one was either drafted or signed (Haden and Barron) to play specifically in this scheme.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 15, 2019, 04:09:14 PM
Regardless, it's not a good defensive scheme.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 15, 2019, 04:21:02 PM
Regardless, it's not a good defensive scheme.

well I wouldn't count on it changing anytime soon. Colbert's betting on this scheme when he drafts guys like Watt, Tuitt, Dupree, Heyward, Bush, and signs guys like Barron. Watt is not his brother, he's a LB, not a hand in the dirt DE or a LB like JJ. Heyward and Tuitt are 3-4 DEs point blank and wouldn't produce 10 sacks each as DTs, neither are fast enough to keep contain and seal off the edge as 4-3 DEs in this 2019 version of the NFL . You play 4-3, Barron is what? a safety?
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 15, 2019, 04:23:02 PM
WR corps looks better with Montcrief and Switzer on the bench.


I will be shocked if Moncrief plays for the Steelers again.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 15, 2019, 04:58:43 PM
hs, watching Rudolph's presser, I'm looking at him thinking "who does he remind me of?". Then it hit me, it's Sidney Crosby! He looks enough like Sid, they could be brothers.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 15, 2019, 05:06:09 PM
hs, watching Rudolph's presser, I'm looking at him thinking "who does he remind me of?". Then it hit me, it's Sidney Crosby! He looks enough like Sid, they could be brothers.

LOL. I'll have to watch highlights tonight when I get home

I can't wait to hear the Monday morning talk radio shows on how Rudolph should be starting and forget about Ben. We have an honest to goodness QB controversy in PGH!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 15, 2019, 05:36:41 PM
T4L, Tomlin is a 4-3 guy. He learned that from Dungy, who learned it from his time with the 70's Steelers.

But Tomlin has never been able to have that defensive scheme in Pittsburgh since the day he was hired. When he came he still had Smith, Hampton, Hoke, Kiesel - all of them great 3-4 defensive linemen and great players behind them. And he inherited LeBeau who he couldn't have fired then even had Tomlin wanted it. Because of LeBeau, Colbert kept drafting players to fit that 3-4 scheme. Unfortunately, drafting as late as the Steelers usually do, replacements simply were not the same caliber and more comprehensive scouting has denied them the under-the-radar players like Smith and Kiesel. So they continue to play a 3-4 with lesser players. They can keep drafting DBs, but the problem is with the deployment of the front 7.

In the Steeler scheme, you are asking Watt and Dupree to be DEs putting both at a disadvantage against larger OTs. This allows a TE or RB to chip one of Watt or Dupree and leaves the Gs and C free to handle whichever 2 DL are in the game. Then you are asking the 2 ILBs to cover from sideline to sideline and having to bring the hybrid safety closer to the line of scrimmage, leaving the middle manned only by the free safety.

I love Heyward and Tuitt. They are really good players and would easily fit as 4-3 DEs. I like Hargrave, McCullers and Buggs as 4-3 DTs. Alualu is a fine back up 4-3 DE. Set up those 6 in a rotation, then your LBs are Watt, Bush, Williams, Barron. Sub out Williams and they never have to leave the field. The LBs are fast enough to cover the dump offs, sweeps, etc, leaving the DBs to concentrate on coverage.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 15, 2019, 05:41:46 PM
Watching BR shaking his elbow, it took me back to the end of Bradshaw's career when his elbow was giving out. I just wonder if this isn't the beginning of the end of for him.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 15, 2019, 06:55:16 PM
Watching BR shaking his elbow, it took me back to the end of Bradshaw's career when his elbow was giving out. I just wonder if this isn't the beginning of the end of for him.

Letís hope. I will be able to cheer for the Steelers again if it is. My hatred of him has made it impossible to root for the Steelers for a long time. I despise him.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 15, 2019, 07:03:33 PM
Steelers got a good chance to go 0-3 as they now have to travel out west and play the 49ers who are looking pretty good right now
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: quitter on September 15, 2019, 08:56:43 PM


Letís hope. I will be able to cheer for the Steelers again if it is. My hatred of him has made it impossible to root for the Steelers for a long time. I despise him.
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I agree. But he has to take Tom Bradley with him
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 16, 2019, 03:46:39 AM
Interesting tidbit from a Trib game story:

Quote
Rudolph bemoaned the lack of practice reps he got as a rookie, a function of NFL practice restrictions that typically limit two quarterbacks to getting the vast majority of the practice time. That made Rudolph embrace the first practice of this past week all the more as Roethlisberger took a ďveteran day off,Ē leaving Rudolph with the majority of the reps.

It showed. Teammates marveled at Rudolphís attention to detail, grasp of the playbook and demeanor in commanding a huddle at age 24 and with no prior regular-season experience.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 16, 2019, 07:04:29 AM
The fluidity of the offense was noticeably improved when they were running the plays that were actually being called.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 16, 2019, 09:49:58 AM
I agree with you on that. Rudolph played a lot in preseason, too. You could see he had established a rapport with the receivers. While Dionte Johnson let a pass from BR go through his hands, he made a terrific one-handed grab for Rudolph. I'd suspect things like that come from being familiar with the qb and how his passes come in and qb knowing the wrs. Except for JuJu, the wrs are all new to BR. It might have helped the offense if he'd have played more in preseason so they got used to each other.

JMO, but after 15 years, BR is set in his ways. He wants plays that let him do what he wants to do, which is throw downfield a lot. Rudolph can and will run the entire playbook. For ex, the middle screen TD to McDonald was a great play call that was perfectly executed.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 16, 2019, 12:05:01 PM
Ben done for the year with season ending elbow surgery.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 16, 2019, 12:35:03 PM
Ben done for the year with season ending elbow surgery.


I think Rudolph is going to shock quite a few people and be a lot better than people think at least he is going to be a lot better than Bridgewater is going to be for the Saints
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 16, 2019, 01:22:13 PM
Ben done for the year with season ending elbow surgery.

Just like Bradshaw. His career is over.

Gotta wonder if Colbert will try to re-acquire Dobbs from Jax. I'm sure if he does, Jax will demand a lot more than a 5th round draft choice.

Forgot about Landry Jones. He's probably the best bet to bring back as back up QB since he already knows the system and many of the players on offense. It would give the Steelers two Oklahoma boys OU and Okla State.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 16, 2019, 04:40:36 PM
I think Rudolph is an upgrade at this point. The offense did nothing for 6 quarters then moved quite efficiently in the second half yesterday.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 16, 2019, 05:55:50 PM
Agreed on Landry Jones being a reasonable backup option for that reason alone (he knows the offense). Otherwise I would like to see a veteran backup brought in just in case (Matt Cassel or Colin Kaepernick or Brock Osweiller or Tom Savage etc).
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 16, 2019, 07:00:04 PM
I believe I heard Pompeani say that BR was hurt in the NE game, but he/the team was "managing" the pain. Yet on the Monday/Tuesday following the NE game, Colbert trades Dobbs to Jax. You have a 37 yr old qb who has a potentially serious elbow injury that you are already - in week 1 - "managing", you have a back up qb who has never taken a snap in a regular season NFL game and you trade away your 3rd string qb, who at least knows the system and has some NFL regular season experience. Then you sign a 6' qb who has never even played under center and was at home on his couch eating nachos, to the practice squad.  ::)
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: coach99 on September 16, 2019, 07:50:20 PM
Agreed on Landry Jones being a reasonable backup option for that reason alone (he knows the offense). Otherwise I would like to see a veteran backup brought in just in case (Matt Cassel or Colin Kaepernick or Brock Osweiller or Tom Savage etc).
Landry has signed a contract to play in that new football league and will not be available at any rate. 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 16, 2019, 08:43:25 PM
This Sunday is my personal favorite game on the NFL schedule and it only happens once every 4 years (currently) and that is 49ers vs Steelers. 

A little backstory before getting to the game.  I have been a 49ers fan for as long as I can remember and that seems weird to people since I grew up in Western PA from the moment I took my first breath (born in Mt Pleasant and have lived in Fayette County my whole life).  Everyone in my family and 99% of my friends are all Steeler fans.  How I became a 49er fan is by chance.  My parents are divorced and as kids, my sister and I would spend alternating weekends at my dad's house.  It happened we were there for Super Bowl XXIII.  I kind of understood football and knew people screamed at the TV a lot during it, but I was 7 years old and didn't know I was supposed to be a Steeler fan.  That Super Bowl was the first game I ever watched and my dad decided to make a beat with me for fun and took the Bengals.  That gave me the 49ers and that's how it all began for me as a fan.  Had my dad taken the 49ers, I may have become a Bengals fan.  Instead I became a 49ers fan and obviously it was very easy in the late 80s and throughout the 90s.  They would lose so infrequently that I remember crying when they would lose a televised game I could watch.   There were on TV a lot for a team based out of California, but we obviously got Steeler games every week.  When things went south I obviously stayed a fan and have stayed a fan through all the ups and downs.  The funny thing is I also grew to like the Steelers and root for them every week except once week every 4 years.  That week is upon us and oh man, do things look drastically different that what everyone was expecting. 

A little history lesson as, much like yannessa_is_god, I like looking at the history of teams playing each other.  This will be the 22 meeting between the teams with the 49ers holding the lead at 11-10.  The teams have alternated home wins for the last 4 meetings.  The Steelers last won in SF in 1999 and my 49ers last won in Pittsburgh in 1996. 

That 1996 game is special to me as that was the first game I every attended.  I saw Steve Young throw a TD pass to Jerry Rice and the Steeler fans boo their team off the field as they trailed 22-0 at the half.  The final score ended up 25-15, but it was never that close. 

Another interesting tidbit is that this will be the first time since 1999 the Steelers have play in SF on a Sunday.  Both 2003 and 2011 saw the game be played on Monday Night.  The 49ers dominated both those games and won going away.  The latter being the infamous blackout game where the stadium went dark.  That was Harbaugh's first year where the 49ers surprised everyone by coming within a muffed punt from reaching The Super Bowl.

Something I found out years ago in looking at the history of this series is that Pittsburgh gave my 49ers their only defeat in their 1984 season.  That Niners team went 18-1 and destroyed Miami in the Super Bowl.  The Dolphins blew out the Steelers in the AFC Title game that year.

That leads me to my next point in that these teams have combined for 11 Super Bowl wins and 15 appearances, but have never played in the biggest game of the year.  We have had plenty of close calls, but it's just never happened.  The closest call being in the 94/95 season when the heavily favored Steelers lost the AFC Title game at home to San Diego.  The 49ers weren't losing The Super Bowl that year, but Pittsburgh would have fared better than SD did. 

We add another chapter to this fun series this Sunday with Jimmy G vs Mason Rudolph which shows you how much things can change in 4 years.

Here are the scores from the series:

10/14/51 SF 28 @ Pittsburgh 14
12/07/52 Pittsburgh 24 @ SF 7
11/20/54 SF 31 @ Pittsburgh 3
09/28/58 SF 23 vs Pittsburgh 20
10/29/61 Pittsburgh 20 vs SF 10
09/26/65 SF 27 vs Pittsburgh 17
11/24/68 SF 45 @ Pittsburgh 28
12/15/73 Pittsburgh 37 @ SF 14
09/19/77 Pittsburgh 27 vs SF 0
11/27/78 Pittsburgh 24 @ SF 7
11/01/81 SF 17 @ Pittsburgh 14
10/14/84 Pittsburgh 20 @ SF 17
09/13/87 Pittsburgh 30 vs SF 17
10/21/90 SF 27 vs Pittsburgh 7
09/05/93 SF 24 @ Pittsburgh 13
12/15/96 SF 25 @ Pittsburgh 15
11/07/99 Pittsburgh 27 @ SF 6
11/17/03 SF 30 vs Pittsburgh 14
09/23/07 Pittsburgh 37 vs SF 16
12/19/11 SF 20 vs Pittsburgh 3
09/20/15 Pittsburgh 43 vs SF 18

One interesting thing is the 1981 game was the only one between Bradshaw and Montana.  This was after Bradshaw had already went 4-0 in Super Bowls and Montana was just about to start his climb to 4-0. 
 
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: KidRaven on September 16, 2019, 10:15:39 PM
Steelers trade a first round pick to Miami for Minkah Fitzpatrick.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 16, 2019, 10:32:06 PM
This could really backfire if Rudolph were to get injured. Not sure I like the risk.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 17, 2019, 09:26:57 AM
Steelers trade a first round pick to Miami for Minkah Fitzpatrick.


They gave up their next year's first round pick for a cornerback? Not too sure about this move especially if the Steelers do bad this season that first round pick may turn out to be a very high pick in the draft
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 17, 2019, 09:38:03 AM
Obviously the Steelers do not see themselves in tanking mode. Very encouraging. They are definitely betting on Rudolph and themselves, unlike the Colts when Manning was injured or last time Luck was injured before this (conversely the Brissett lead Colts are definitely "betting on themselves" as well as evidenced by the contract that they gave Brissett).

Again, brilliant move if they win 6+ games (Fitzpatrick was 11th overall in 2018...the 6 win Bengals drafted 11th in 2019. While draft capital can easily change over the course of 2 years, I would say that his value is still around the same). But like you two have said terrible move if they do tank (5 or less wins).

With that said the Steelers rarely tank. They have not been a last place finisher since 1988 (5-11). The Bengals and Browns and even some Ravens teams have been worse than that since. Losing their starting QB for the season two weeks in is probably the biggest crisis that they have had to weather during that span, though, unless I am forgetting something.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 17, 2019, 10:22:17 AM
Fitzpatrick says he's been miscast as strong safety. This seems like a total panic move by Colbert. Miami is having a fire sale, why offer your 1st round choice?

The only plausible explanation is they feel this is Hilton's last year with the team, Sean Davis is hurt worse than anyone is admitting, Joe Hayden is hurt worse than anyone is admitting, Kameron Kelly is a bust, they have no faith in Marcus Allen.

Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 17, 2019, 12:56:04 PM
Honestly this trade is the Steelers putting all of their eggs in the Rudolph basket.

I would say if you believe in Rudolph, say, enough to honestly believe that they are a playoff team if he stays healthy, then this trade is a good thing. If you see them as a bad team with Rudolph at QB then this trade is awful.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: bfgrad on September 17, 2019, 02:42:33 PM
I think Rudolph will be just fine, tbh. I think the trade was unneccessary. The problem with the defense isn't the DBs, it's the"front 7" scheme that's neither fish nor fowl. Fix that by either a full time 3-4 or 4-3 and you fix the defensive backfield problem. Colbert would have been far better off trading for the stud NT they've needed since Hampton retired.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 17, 2019, 05:17:17 PM
Iím just excited to see if Tomlin is actually a good coach, or not. Donít think heís ever been given full reins on the team until now. I think theyíre going to surprise people.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 17, 2019, 06:16:31 PM
Steelers also signed Paxton Lynch to their practice squad
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on September 17, 2019, 08:28:00 PM
Iím just excited to see if Tomlin is actually a good coach, or not. Donít think heís ever been given full reins on the team until now. I think theyíre going to surprise people.

Sure. I could also see this going both ways (either they shock the world and win the division or they finish 5-11 bad). Their range of outcomes is crazy.

I did see however that their Supberbowl odds went from 40-1 to 100-1. So the betting community does not see this as Drew Bledsoe to Tom Brady lol. With that said if you do now would be the time to place a wager!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on September 18, 2019, 06:46:02 AM
Division at 5-1 looks pretty juicy to me actually.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Indians87 on September 18, 2019, 08:28:16 AM
Rudolph the red zone savior!

Steelers win the division with him and Fitz.  Here we go!
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on September 18, 2019, 02:55:45 PM
I am also excited to see how Rudolph and Tomlin do, if we are picking in the top 7-8 picks in the draft, Rudolph isnt the guy and we just traded away our #1 pick that we could of drafted a new franchise QB with. Dont get me wrong, I absolutely love Minkah Fitzpatrick, I was hoping we would draft him somehow ,he could be the leader of that secondary, maybe the entire defense, for the next decade. Giving up this draft pick might be a huge mistake though if we go 3-13! The Steelers defense now has 8 first rounders, one sits the bench but this defense should be able to put Rudolph in a position to win most of the next 14 games.

If this season turns into a dumpster fire the Pittsburgh Pirates would be proud of I think it's time to fire Colbert, Tomlin, and every coach on the staff and start over with a new GM and HC. On the other hand if we somehow  make the playoffs after starting 0-2, Tomlin deserves another even longer extension. But honestly I don't think that will happen.
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: hs on September 19, 2019, 08:37:33 AM
The more I am hearing and reading about this trade for Fitzpatrick, the more I think it was a good deal. That is of course if Butler uses him right and can get this defense which has a ton if first round draft picks on it turned around
Title: Re: Steelers 2019
Post by: Nicky on September 19, 2019, 10:00:41 AM
Haven't been around much this week, but people are seriously mad that we got Minkah Fitzpatrick?