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Title: Baseball 2019
Post by: bfgrad on March 28, 2019, 03:52:32 PM
I checked out BF yesterday afternoon at Tiger Field vs Blackhawk. To my surprise, Tigers won 5-4. Daylin Brickner started off the season with a lead-off HR to RF that hit the top of the 16' fence and bounced over. Cam Kern started and pitched generally well. Tigers look pretty solid as Rowe's teaching fundamental baseball is showing results now. BF will be relying on seniors Brickner, Kern, Garrett, Whippo and Woodley. They seem ok defensively although Woodley is pretty much a disaster at ss and hopefully won't play there again. If he does, his inability to field grounders will cost BF otherwise winnable games.

Tigers are 2-1 so far with an opening game loss to Neshannock, then wins of Rochester and Blackhawk. They have another test this afternoon against Riverside.

I chatted with Hopewell's scout for a few minutes. Said I was surprised Hopewell was AAA not 4A. He said Hopewell graduated 140 kids last year. Wow... He thinks North Cath and SSA will be the teams to beat. Hopewell has a good baseball tradition and feeder program, but they did have significant graduation losses including their top pitcher, Joe Ross (now at Ohio U).

Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: hs on March 29, 2019, 09:29:30 AM
I checked out BF yesterday afternoon at Tiger Field vs Blackhawk. To my surprise, Tigers won 5-4. Daylin Brickner started off the season with a lead-off HR to RF that hit the top of the 16' fence and bounced over. Cam Kern started and pitched generally well. Tigers look pretty solid as Rowe's teaching fundamental baseball is showing results now. BF will be relying on seniors Brickner, Kern, Garrett, Whippo and Woodley. They seem ok defensively although Woodley is pretty much a disaster at ss and hopefully won't play there again. If he does, his inability to field grounders will cost BF otherwise winnable games.

Tigers are 2-1 so far with an opening game loss to Neshannock, then wins of Rochester and Blackhawk. They have another test this afternoon against Riverside.

I chatted with Hopewell's scout for a few minutes. Said I was surprised Hopewell was AAA not 4A. He said Hopewell graduated 140 kids last year. Wow... He thinks North Cath and SSA will be the teams to beat. Hopewell has a good baseball tradition and feeder program, but they did have significant graduation losses including their top pitcher, Joe Ross (now at Ohio U).


That's really low. I'm surprised to hear that
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: coach99 on March 29, 2019, 10:14:04 AM
I was wondering how man artificial turf fields are available for baseball around the WPIAL?
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: bfgrad on March 29, 2019, 06:15:43 PM
I chatted with Hopewell's scout for a few minutes. Said I was surprised Hopewell was AAA not 4A. He said Hopewell graduated 140 kids last year. Wow... He thinks North Cath and SSA will be the teams to beat. Hopewell has a good baseball tradition and feeder program, but they did have significant graduation losses including their top pitcher, Joe Ross (now at Ohio U).


That's really low. I'm surprised to hear that

I usually check out the enrollment figures for the Beaver county schools at the BVIU website. A few years ago, I noticed Hopewell's enrollment pretty much falling off a cliff. I really don't know why because it's one of the better school districts in the county. The scout's exact quote to me was "Who wants to live in Hopewell? There's nothing there.". I would expect if the enrollment decline continues, there'll have to be serious discussion about finally merging with Aliquippa. At least Hopewell would get a good football team out of it.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: OprtnShtdwn on March 31, 2019, 02:34:54 AM
Hopewell only has around 22 kids in there team. They don’t have a true #1 arm this year, but rather a bunch of #2s. Probably means you’ll see them hit a little better than years past so I’d imagine their offensive philosophy goes from conservative to ultra aggressive quickly.

Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: hs on April 01, 2019, 10:29:10 AM
I chatted with Hopewell's scout for a few minutes. Said I was surprised Hopewell was AAA not 4A. He said Hopewell graduated 140 kids last year. Wow... He thinks North Cath and SSA will be the teams to beat. Hopewell has a good baseball tradition and feeder program, but they did have significant graduation losses including their top pitcher, Joe Ross (now at Ohio U).


That's really low. I'm surprised to hear that

I usually check out the enrollment figures for the Beaver county schools at the BVIU website. A few years ago, I noticed Hopewell's enrollment pretty much falling off a cliff. I really don't know why because it's one of the better school districts in the county. The scout's exact quote to me was "Who wants to live in Hopewell? There's nothing there.". I would expect if the enrollment decline continues, there'll have to be serious discussion about finally merging with Aliquippa. At least Hopewell would get a good football team out of it.


I couldn't agree more. Running joke in this township is that it is the land of pizza shops and dollar stores. Pretty bad when everyone gets excited when a McDonalds goes in. But we can thank a former township commissioner for nothing being here. Target wanted to go in the Green Garden Plaza and that was blocked. And several restaurants wanted to go in where the Hopewell Business Park is and they blocked that also. Anytime a restaurant wants to go in anywhere in Hopewell or close by Harold's Inn gets all up in arms and pitches a fit and for some reason the commissioners bow to her and that place has gone downhill quick
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on April 01, 2019, 07:25:48 PM
I like Harold’s! Best chicken around.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: bfgrad on April 02, 2019, 09:35:19 PM
Baseball preview from the Times: https://www.timesonline.com/sports/20190402/high-school-baseball-preview
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: Animus on April 11, 2019, 06:39:57 PM
My nephew pitched two scoreless innings for Brashear against Canon Mac today. He's just a fresh so I hope he continues his progress.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: bfgrad on April 24, 2019, 08:46:44 AM
In 3A, Beaver Falls upset # 1 Hopewell 5-1 at Tiger Field. Cam Kern pitched a complete game, giving up 1 run on 5 hits with 7 Ks.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: bfgrad on April 24, 2019, 11:07:22 AM
In another surprising development, Riverside, a perenniel baseball power, is 2-4 in 2A section play.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: OprtnShtdwn on April 25, 2019, 11:20:18 PM
In 3A, Beaver Falls upset # 1 Hopewell 5-1 at Tiger Field. Cam Kern pitched a complete game, giving up 1 run on 5 hits with 7 Ks.

Thats a nice win.  3A is wide open IMO. There is no true horse on the mound which could make for a fun tournament.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: bfgrad on May 02, 2019, 08:19:38 AM
In 3A, section 2, Hopewell and NB have clinched playoff spots. The bottom 2 spots are still fluid. Right now, BF is 3rd at 4-4, NC 4th at 3-4, EC 5th at 4-6 and Freedom 6th at 3-5. Tigers have 4 games left, 2 at home, 2 away, but the home games are against NC and Freedom, both giving BF a chance to split the season games with each team. If they can win those and beat SSA this afternoon, they should be in good shape to make the playoffs.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: OprtnShtdwn on May 06, 2019, 01:30:31 AM
It's being reported that Beaver Falls threw  an illegal pitcher in the 7th inning of their 5-1 win over Hopewell.  Apparently he threw a pitch over 100 so its been submitted to the PIAA and will likely be a 7-0 forfeit win for Hopewell instead.  This is the 3rd instance in the WPIAL so far this season.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: bfgrad on May 06, 2019, 07:12:15 AM
Yes, Kern pitched a complete game, but apparently went over 100 pitches with 2 out in the top of the 7th. Bires reported in the Times that at least one ump thought the pitch limit was 105, which is the new rule for playoff games. BF reported themselves, which was the right thing to do even though this loss will likely mean they'll miss the playoffs.

That said, this is is a ridiculous rule, imho, given that a high school pitcher is already limited in how many innings he can pitch in a week and how many days off he must get depending on how many innings pitched. Then you have the provision that a pitcher can finish pitching to a hitter if he starts the a/b at fewer than 100 pitches. I get the idea that somehow limiting pitches is preventing injuries, but I honestly doubt that premiss. For example, just look at how the Pirates baby and have babied Jameson Taillon limiting pitches and innings and he still needed TJ surgery and now has an flexor injury that will keep him out for a month or longer. The thing that would really prevent injuries is for kids to learn to pitch (up, down, inside, outside) instead of just trying to throw as hard as they can.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: Bob.Gregg.WJPA.Radio on May 06, 2019, 08:53:23 AM
bfgrad, I don't believe there is any more INNINGS limitations.

The pitching restriction rules are all PITCH based.

How many pitches you throw dictate how many days rest are required.

There are GAME limits (100/game) and WEEK limits (200/week).
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: bfgrad on May 06, 2019, 10:20:47 AM
I don't know, Bob, I think that pitch counts probably aren't the panacea to arm problems. At the prep level, the innings and rest rule might just be better. If a pitcher is throwing a lot of pitches either because the opponent is getting hits or the pitcher is wild, the coach isn't going to leave him in for very long anyway.

I think there is too much emphasis on throwing hard rather than actually learning to pitch. I still remember when BF was a surprise winner of the 2007 (?) Beaver Co Legion. BF Legion knocked out Hopewell and one of the wins was a game pitched by Brandon Rue, who wasn't a pitcher first and didn't throw hard, where Rue just put pitches all game on the outside corner at the knees. Hopewell's hitters were helpless.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: Bob.Gregg.WJPA.Radio on May 06, 2019, 10:56:10 AM
bfgrad, I wasn't advocating one or the other.

PONY League has also gone to pitch count instead of innings to trigger rest requirements.

Hard throwing is what gets you noticed.  THAT'S why emphasis is put on throwing hard. PERIOD.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: bfgrad on May 06, 2019, 02:28:38 PM
I know, Bob. Muscling up on everything is the thing to do for HS kids. Every parent thinks their kid is next big bonus baby, but the odds aren't with them. Even as dominant as Brendan McKay was, he's only in AA at age 23.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: hs on May 12, 2019, 02:25:56 AM
And watching these young kids trying to throw curve balls is ridiculous also. Too much strain on the arm IMO. Like you said, teach these kids how to locate their pitchers and they would be much better off
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: KidRaven on May 22, 2019, 09:01:35 PM
Second year in a row for a Fayette County Team to make a WPIAL Final.  Brownsville won a Title last year and LH has a chance this year.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: OprtnShtdwn on May 22, 2019, 11:30:41 PM
Second year in a row for a Fayette County Team to make a WPIAL Final.  Brownsville won a Title last year and LH has a chance this year.

I'll root for Coach DeBerry a thousand times over.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: bfgrad on July 04, 2019, 03:41:05 PM
Really sad only 6 American Legion teams are left in Beaver County after Amb/Baden/Economy folded during the season.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: OprtnShtdwn on July 11, 2019, 06:16:01 AM
Really sad only 6 American Legion teams are left in Beaver County after Amb/Baden/Economy folded during the season.

It’s far worse in the Allegheny County. Legion is on its last legs. When I played, we had 4 leagues that had 10 teams each. Each league would send 4 representatives to the Allegheny County Playoffs. Then we’d take multiple reps and move on to the Region tournament.

Now I think there might be one or two leagues left in Allegheny County. I know the south has one, but not sure if they do in the east.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: coach99 on July 11, 2019, 09:48:50 AM
Not surprising baseball has fallen off. Around here, the various recreation teams, etc start up in rainy April and rush through the season that ends in June. A lot of kids in t-ball and that, but seems the numbers drop off each level as many of the same parents get tired of doing all the work and others just don't get involved.  Then, out of the fewer teams, 'traveling' teams take a group and this smaller group then plays on another few weeks. From what I see, most fields sit empty all summer.  I don't even see the softball leagues with young adults playing anymore. Go by those fields and the lights are burning, but nobody there.  Maybe I am just not looking in the right places.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: OprtnShtdwn on July 11, 2019, 01:53:32 PM
Hopewell coach resigning citing a want to spend more time with his kids.   Good program that has somehow not won a title in the last few years despite having some good teams.  They should of beat Steel Valley this year. Years past I can forgive since it was the Rock Show and not much else around him.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: bfgrad on July 11, 2019, 07:31:03 PM
A few years ago BF did not field a Legion team because they couldn't guarantee the local Post they'd have enough kids for each game, but did the next year up until this year. The last few years they've fielded a combined team with BF, Rochester and a Freedom kid or two. Last year BF combined with Riverside and Rochester. But this year, apparently BF couldn't not even field a team with kids from Riverside, which is a perenniel baseball power. They did manage to field a Colt team, though. It's a shame because Tiger Field is the nicest baseball field in the county.

These travelling teams seem to be taking the best players and the seniors seem uninterested in playing once the HS season ends.
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on August 12, 2019, 06:38:55 PM
Rowe not knowing Kern's count or purposely trying to get over(whichever it was) was unacceptable

Very disappointed in this past season. Expected more from them in Brickner and Kern's senior year

Brickner got a scholarship at YSU to play as a Wide receiver/returner on the football team and outfielder on baseball team. He'll probably make an impact for both right away, they definitely expect him to contribute right away for baseball
Title: Re: Baseball 2019
Post by: Tiger4Lyfe on August 12, 2019, 06:41:53 PM
Really sad only 6 American Legion teams are left in Beaver County after Amb/Baden/Economy folded during the season.

there is a sandlot league in Youngstown that a lot of the better players in the county play in. I think that had a lot to do with Colts and Legion teams struggling to field teams.

Hopewell still showed up in the semis, I think they lost to Hempfield. I watched the champ game on pcn a week or so ago. probably taped. East team won