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Title: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: Bob.Gregg.WJPA.Radio on October 01, 2018, 04:37:18 PM
Here we go, again. These guys are NOT the offensive approach problem with the Pittsburgh Pirates. #CanClintNow

The Pittsburgh Pirates today announced that Hitting Coach Jeff Branson and Assistant Hitting Coach Jeff Livesey will not be returning as Major League Coaches in 2019. The announcement was made by Executive Vice President, General Manager Neal Huntington and Manager Clint Hurdle.

Both Branson and Livesey spent the last five years with the Major League club (2014-2018). ďWe appreciate all of the time, energy and effort that Jeff and Jeff put into the team,Ē said Huntington. ďBoth are high-character, hard-working, good baseball men. We felt that this was the right time to take our Major League hitting program in a different direction.Ē

No additional changes to the Major League coaching staff are expected.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: coach99 on October 01, 2018, 04:48:36 PM
We felt that this was the right time to take our Major League hitting program in a different direction.Ē

I would hope they will take the hitting into another direction.  Maybe getting that great 'hitting guru' Clint to shut up about playing 'wack a doodle' and find someone that knows about hitting.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on October 01, 2018, 05:56:19 PM
I actuallly hope they promote somebody from the minors. Often times I think guys come up here with much better approaches than they have after theyíve been around awhile.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on October 03, 2018, 12:02:00 AM
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/10/progress-report-last-winters-richest-contracts.html

Hereís a run down on last yearís free agent class. By my count three of them really performed well. Martinez, Cain and Davis. The rest were average to below average contributors. Buyer beware in free agency.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on October 07, 2018, 09:19:24 AM
I will say Nutting and the Pirates are cheap in one sense. Terror Cole is apparently telling anybody who will listen that the Pirates donít allow pitchers to throw curveballs because they donít want to pay for strikeouts. I buy that and it is a problem.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on October 08, 2018, 07:43:38 AM
While that is in the realm of possibility keep in mind that they did go out and acquire Archer, a "strikeout guy."

I would think that would be managerial strategy  (wanting ground balls) not Nutting. But that's just my opinion without knowing anything other than the context of your post
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on October 08, 2018, 11:37:07 AM
Well Archer is under contract for 3 more years. The cost is fixed no matter how many strikeouts he gets.

Arbitration salaries are determined through a number of stats and strikeouts are definitely one of them.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: hs on October 31, 2018, 04:14:20 PM
Saw this on MSN today:

According to twitter reports, the Pirates will decline their 2019 options on infielders Josh Harrison and Jung-Ho Kang. The Pirates have made it clear theyíd like to retain Kangís services, but their unwillingness to pay $250,000 less than they were willing to pay for Sean Rodriguez raises doubts that theyíll be able to do so.

Harrison almost certainly wonít be back. In all or parts of eight seasons with the Pirates, he posted a batting line of 277/317/408. His best season was 2014, when he batted 315/347/490 and made the All-Star team for the first of two times. His worst season as a regular came this year, when he hit 250/293/363.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: Falcons01 on November 06, 2018, 12:18:04 PM
two items of note that i am surprised wasnt talked about here yet:

Rick Eckstein was named the hitting coach. He is the brother of former MLB player David Eckstein.  He was the Nationals hitting coach for 5 years about a decade ago.  as noted by others, I am not sure this will make a big difference in the whole scheme of things.

Corey Dickerson has won the NL LF Gold Glove.  He won over the Braves Adam Duvall and the favorite Brewers Christian Yelich. Dickerson when aquired was considered a liability as a fielder.  He never seemed to do anything spectacular but was just steady and played smart. 
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on November 08, 2018, 09:27:48 AM
Pirates resign KANG to a 1 year contract.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: Bob.Gregg.WJPA.Radio on November 08, 2018, 09:33:23 AM
The Pittsburgh Pirates today signed free agent infielder Jung Ho Kang to a one-year contract for the 2019 season. The announcement was made by Executive Vice President, General Manager Neal Huntington. ďWe appreciate Jung Hoís hard work to get back to being a productive Major League player, while continuing to handle himself appropriately off the field,Ē said Huntington. ďWe feel that bringing Jung Ho back in 2019 will make us better as he will have the ability to make a positive impact on our lineup. Competition and options are important to any organization and this signing provides us with both.Ē The 31-year-old Kang went 2-for-6 in three games with the Pirates this past September after returning from the MLB Restricted List and then the Disabled List. Kang played nine seasons in the Korean Baseball Organization (2006-2014) before signing a four-year contract with the Pirates on January 16, 2015. He finished third in the voting for N.L. Rookie-of-the-Year in 2015 after hitting .287 with 15 home runs and 58 RBI in 126 games. He hit .255 with 21 homers and 62 RBI in 103 games in 2016.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on November 14, 2018, 06:19:37 PM
Pirates and Indians make 5 player trade:

The Pirates have acquired infielder Erik GonzŠlez along with right-handed pitchers Tahnaj Thomas and Dante Mendoza from the Indians in exchange for outfielder Jordan Luplow and infielder Max Moroff.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on November 26, 2018, 11:17:18 PM
Pirates sign OF Lonnie Chisenhall to 1 year deal.  My friend is an Indians fan and tells me this could be a good signing. 
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on November 27, 2018, 11:24:50 AM
Pirates sign OF Lonnie Chisenhall to 1 year deal.  My friend is an Indians fan and tells me this could be a good signing.

I do like Chisenhall but he is definitely a depth guy. I would imagine that he is their 4th OF.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: emm8 on November 27, 2018, 02:00:09 PM
Pirates sign OF Lonnie Chisenhall to 1 year deal.  My friend is an Indians fan and tells me this could be a good signing.

I do like Chisenhall but he is definitely a depth guy. I would imagine that he is their 4th OF.

I'm pretty sure he was used more as a 3rd baseman when he first came to the majors, but has played mostly OF in the past 2 years(...when healthy).  He missed a good bit of time in recent years as well.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on November 27, 2018, 06:17:22 PM
Correct. The headline in the Trib praises his versatility, so I'm guessing he backfills at 3b a bit. But in recent years he has been exclusively an OF.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on December 05, 2018, 05:39:38 PM
Cardinals get Goldschmidt in a trade with Arizona.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: hs on December 07, 2018, 06:26:05 AM
Cardinals get Goldschmidt in a trade with Arizona.


Looks like the Cardinals might be trying to make a run this upcoming season
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on December 07, 2018, 04:47:03 PM
I think Molina has been the MVP of the past decade or so and with him heading into the last years of his career I think they realize the stability of their pitching staff isnít going to be there down the line.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on December 10, 2018, 09:14:06 PM
Pirate killer Billy Hamilton signed with KC.  Not sure how well that will work since his career has been made off torturing the Pirates.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: hs on December 11, 2018, 01:24:11 PM
93.7 is reporting the Pirates trade Ivan Nova to the White Sox. Return not disclosed yet 
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: emm8 on December 11, 2018, 03:22:11 PM
93.7 is reporting the Pirates trade Ivan Nova to the White Sox. Return not disclosed yet

They also appear to have a deal with FA right handed relief pitcher Jordan Lyles, who split time with SD and Milwaukee for their stretch run.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: hs on December 11, 2018, 03:45:20 PM
Cutch signs a 3 year deal with the Phillies. Amazing to me that teams still want him
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bfgrad on December 11, 2018, 03:56:59 PM
Nova traded for 19 yr old pitcher who was in the Dominican Summer League last year and 500k cash in international signing money, plus, of course 8.5M less Nutting has to spend on payroll next year.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on December 11, 2018, 05:13:36 PM
I hope the payroll is slashed to $50mil just to spite the Nutting haters.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: coach99 on December 11, 2018, 06:58:11 PM
Cutch signs a 3 year deal with the Phillies. Amazing to me that teams still want him
how many guys hit 20 HRs last year with 60 rbi's?
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on December 11, 2018, 07:07:23 PM
Cutch signs a 3 year deal with the Phillies. Amazing to me that teams still want him
how many guys hit 20 HRs last year with 60 rbi's?

76
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on December 11, 2018, 10:28:29 PM
Pirates sign Jordan lyles. Heís a right handed relief pitcher with some starting experience.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bfgrad on December 11, 2018, 11:56:36 PM
I hope the payroll is slashed to $50mil just to spite the Nutting haters.

If Nutting could get away with that, he would, but the MLB minimum salary is getting close to 1M making a 50M payroll unlikely, though not impossible.

Bob Nutting runs the Pirates unlike any other owner/ownership group in MLB. He treats, and will always treat, the Pirates as a profit-generating machine for himself and his family. His plan is to pass ownership along to his daughters. He will always make sure that a healthy profit is calculated from, then subtracted from expected revenues before anything else.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on December 12, 2018, 07:00:31 AM
I hope the payroll is slashed to $50mil just to spite the Nutting haters.

If Nutting could get away with that, he would, but the MLB minimum salary is getting close to 1M making a 50M payroll unlikely, though not impossible.

Bob Nutting runs the Pirates unlike any other owner/ownership group in MLB. He treats, and will always treat, the Pirates as a profit-generating machine for himself and his family. His plan is to pass ownership along to his daughters. He will always make sure that a healthy profit is calculated from, then subtracted from expected revenues before anything else.

Guess what. You canít do anything about it that will make it change. So instead of whining about it either accept it or stop caring.

For what itís worth I think he plans on selling soon. Or at least enough fans will become disenfranchised that he canít make the profit he deems acceptable. He is sports villain number one in Pittsburgh. I expect average attendance to dip under 15,000 per game this season.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on December 12, 2018, 07:08:17 AM
Oh and again, if you like the Pirates and you like baseball why do you care how much money they spend? As a fan winning is secondary. Being a fan has a primary reward of enjoying watching your team play. Your teamís existence. Winning is a nice bonus but to be a fan only when your team is spending what you feel is an appropriate amount of money or winning an appropriate number of games is being a conditional fan. Or a bandwagon fan. Or not a fan at all.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bfgrad on December 12, 2018, 09:08:28 AM
I loved baseball when I was growing up and attended many games at Forbes Field, including the last one, plus a couple of World Series and then playoff series at Three Rivers. I haven't really followed them since Nutting got control of the team, I watch on TV when there's nothing better to do is about the extent of it.

For Nutting, yearly profit comes before anything else. I don't know how anyone denies that. The Pirates are his cash cow in case you haven't noticed the 2 ski resorts he's bought and the purchases of several newspapers in the past year in the time since he got full control of the team. He's not selling the team. He could've cashed out in the past years for more than the sum total of his yearly take over many future years. It nevers ceases to amaze me that so many Pirate fans are so eager to protect Bob Nutting's money. Nutting certainly deserves credit for finding that segment of fans who can be fooled all the time.

Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: hs on December 12, 2018, 09:58:36 AM
IMO, the reason Pirate fans care about how much money they spend is because we all know Nutting is circumventing the system, pocketing the money and not putting it back into the product on the field. Me personally, I was tired of seeing Hurdle constantly send out Sean Rodriquez last season and have Huntington constantly tell us their only goal is to win the world series and put a competitive team on the field.

This is completely different to the Penguins, for example, when they went through their rough patch. I gladly supported that team and continued to go to games because they came out and told us they were struggling and were considering filing for bankruptcy. Sure, they tried to tell us trading Jagr for minor league scraps would help the team, but we all laughed at that. The Pirates can cry small market all they want but the only reason the Pirates are a small market team is because they want to be a small market team IMO
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: hs on December 12, 2018, 09:59:54 AM
Cutch signs a 3 year deal with the Phillies. Amazing to me that teams still want him
how many guys hit 20 HRs last year with 60 rbi's?


3 years 50 million for Cutch is way too rich for my blood
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: coach99 on December 12, 2018, 11:04:31 AM
Cutch signs a 3 year deal with the Phillies. Amazing to me that teams still want him
how many guys hit 20 HRs last year with 60 rbi's?


3 years 50 million for Cutch is way too rich for my blood
Yes, really surprising the amount they will pay him.  I guess the pro's see things we don't. And...not my money.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on December 15, 2018, 04:50:25 PM
Jordy Mercer signs with the Detroit Tigers for a 1 year deal worth over $5 million.

Another link to their playoff teams is gone but totally expected and totally ok.

Best of luck to Jordy.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on December 15, 2018, 05:38:40 PM
Jordy was a steady SS for a long time. I think we will miss his strong and accurate arm. He had about the most consistent throwing ability of any SS you can find.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on December 15, 2018, 10:54:04 PM
Was listening to 93.7 this morning and Pompeani thinks Pirates should take a chance on Tulowitski.   It wouldnít cost much at all as Toronto is still on the hook to pay him 17 million.   No clue if he would have any interest though. 
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on December 16, 2018, 05:15:00 AM
Tulowitzki and Hurdle hate each other so I donít think thatís likely
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on December 16, 2018, 08:40:32 AM
Now report that Pirates and Yankees both have interest in SS Freddy Galvis. 
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on December 16, 2018, 09:19:59 AM
Galvis was definitely the guy I figured would be linked. If he wants at bats he would certainly come to Pittsburgh ahead of New York.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on December 17, 2018, 12:21:22 PM
Report pops up on my phone that the Pirates are looking at Tulowitski.  Perhaps just kicking the tires or trying to make others think they have interest. 
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on December 18, 2018, 06:00:46 PM
Reports that if everything goes ok, Tulowitski could sign with the Pirates as early as tonight.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on December 18, 2018, 06:56:34 PM
Wow that’s great. I must have misremembered why Hurdle was run out mid season in Colorado. I was certain it was Tulowitzki and some of the other emerging stars on that team were done with him.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: hs on December 21, 2018, 05:21:03 PM
Dodgers trade Puig and Kemp to the Reds. Report is they are trying to clear room to make a run at Bryce Harper 
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on December 22, 2018, 07:32:11 AM
ESPN did their annual fan misery index.

Out of 123 professional sports franchises Pirates ranked at 26.

Steelers 112 and Penguins 121 to put it into perspective.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on January 13, 2019, 11:11:59 AM
Pirates avoid arbitration with Dickerson and Kela and agree on one year deals with both.

Dickerson 1 year $8.5 million. Kela 1 year I think that it was $3.75 million.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on January 13, 2019, 03:59:36 PM
Just left the Rivers casino where you can place a bet on the Pirates to win the 2019 World Series at 66-1 odds.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: emm8 on January 13, 2019, 05:09:52 PM
Just left the Rivers casino where you can place a bet on the Pirates to win the 2019 World Series at 66-1 odds.

That doesn't seem high enough, so...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMRrNY0pxfM
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on January 21, 2019, 02:04:53 PM
Reports are that the Pirates and Dodgers are discussing a possible trade with Marte doing to LA.  The Pirates payroll is around $71 million or so and perhaps they feel this is too high, so dump Marte and his (relatively cheap) salary too I guess. 

People keep wanting a salary cap for baseball.  I want a salary floor. 
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: Nicky on January 21, 2019, 03:48:09 PM
NL Central payroll figures as of Jan 19, 2019:

Cubs  -  $205M
Cardinals  -  $158M
Brewers  -  $114M
Reds  -  $113M
Pirates  -  $68M
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: hs on January 21, 2019, 11:10:03 PM
NL Central payroll figures as of Jan 19, 2019:

Cubs  -  $205M
Cardinals  -  $158M
Brewers  -  $114M
Reds  -  $113M
Pirates  -  $68M


I'll have to check Rivers Casino and see if there will be an over/under bet on how many people show up to PNC park to watch the Pirates this season. I'll bet the under
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on January 25, 2019, 07:40:30 AM
I bet the Pirates win more games than the Reds in 2019. But at least theyíre ďtryingĒ
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on January 25, 2019, 02:05:19 PM
I bet the Pirates win more games than the Reds in 2019. But at least theyíre ďtryingĒ

I'm with you there. The Reds have not done much to address pitching, and their acquisitions are more name based than shrewd. Their trajectory is upward, but I would argue that they are even less likely than Pittsburgh to crash the playoffs race. Vegas BTW has the Buccos ahead of the Reds by 1.5 games on over/under.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on January 25, 2019, 02:30:40 PM
But Pirates fans would rather lose more and see Nutting spend more money. Iím convinced of that.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: hs on January 25, 2019, 03:18:39 PM
But Pirates fans would rather lose more and see Nutting spend more money. Iím convinced of that.


Couldn't disagree with you more on this statement
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on January 25, 2019, 07:02:00 PM
They had a winning season in 2018 and the majority of fans would consider it disappointing.

If they spent $125mil this year and had 5 less wins I bet attendance would be significantly higher.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: hs on January 25, 2019, 11:26:44 PM
They had a winning season in 2018 and the majority of fans would consider it disappointing.

If they spent $125mil this year and had 5 less wins I bet attendance would be significantly higher.


Your analogy makes no sense. The Pirates payroll right now I heard is 68 million. If they came out tomorrow and said they just signed these several big priced players and now their payroll is 125 million, then sure, I bet attendance would go up because fans would think they are trying to put a winning team on the field. But if they started losing then probably attendance would drop again.


Fans got excited after they traded for Archer last season because they thought this team was gonna make a run. I would bet if you checked attendance for several weeks after that trade it was higher than before the trade. I'm just guessing. But we all saw and even posted on here the unwillingness of Hurdle to change a lineup, sit some players etc. and they started losing again. Sure they finished with 83 wins but we all saw they were going nowhere and fans got disinterested. I consider it disappointing because I thought they might just make some kind of run and beat the expectations after that little winning streak they went on but we saw that this team was not up to that and could only win when there was no pressure to
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on January 26, 2019, 08:45:13 AM
All Iím saying is money isnít always the key to winning. Paying Matt Kemp and Yasiel Puig gets you as many wins as paying two rookie contract guys. They stink! So Iím glad the Pirates didnít sign or trade for guys fans have heard of to try to excite them.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on January 26, 2019, 10:49:43 PM
I bet the Pirates win more games than the Reds in 2019. But at least theyíre ďtryingĒ

So they win a few more games than the Reds.  They'll still finish 4th behind the Cubs, Cards and Brewers. Those 3 teams are better. Look what the Cards did this off-season. Brewers got better as well. Lonnie Chisenhall? Really?  Where's the power in the lineup? There is ZERO.

Stop defending this Mickey Mouse organization. They are an absolute joke. 82 wins came due to an irrelevant month of baseball in Sept. How'd they do in August when games really mattered? 10-18 from Aug 1 thru Sept 2.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on January 27, 2019, 09:51:06 AM
But Pirates fans would rather lose more and see Nutting spend more money. Iím convinced of that.

An absolute ridiculous, off the wall statement.  You know what this Pirate fan has wanted the last five years after losing to the Cards in 5 games in the NLDS? Here it is:

1. Sign Morneau to a team friendly 2 yr, $13m dollar contract after the 2013 season. Even Neal said he regretted not keeping him. He batted .300 for the Rockies in 2014...including .300 on the road so don't tell me about thin air. Professional bat and great defensive player.

2. Do more in the summer of 2014 when the Pirates were just decimated with injuries and struggling on the field. They were only one game out on July 29 then lost 13 of 20 to fall 7 games back on Aug 19 before falling short to win the division by 2 games.  They did NUTTING. A pitcher the Pirates chose not to pursue was John Lackey. Cards got him and he beat the Bucs in a critical Sept showdown. That was the 2 game swing right there for the division title. The front office will say they were in on Price and Lester, but we all know Neal hordes his prospects and wasn't going to make a  blockbuster trade. Lackey would have been perfect. He allowed only 2 runs or less in 7 of his 10 starts with Cards.

3. Re-sign Edison Volquez after 2014 season. He was important enough to pitch the 2014 WC game but not important enough to keep? KC signed him for 2 yrs, $20m and won 13 games for the Royals. Oh, I forgot...they won the WORLD SERIES.

4. After winning 98 games in 2015 and building possibly the best team in MLB, the Pirates declared a BRIDGE YEAR  rather than keeping the team together. Pirate fans had to watch J.A. Happ win 20 games the next year for Toronto while Pirate fans watched scrubs like Niese and Vogelsong.

So it's not just about spending $$$ to this Pirate fan. It's about making the team better, keeping guys who were key pieces to success and not deciding after 98 wins that you are going to go cheap and come up with some ridiculous slogan like a BRIDGE YEAR.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on January 27, 2019, 09:56:31 AM
Then donít watch and donít go. Root for another team. Quit being a fan of Major League Baseball. I donít know what the answer is but the Nutting hate in Pittsburgh is EXHAUSTING. Just move on.

Iím not wasting my life being bitter over an owner. Frankly I like baseball way too much to notsupport my favorite team.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on January 27, 2019, 11:01:03 AM
Then donít watch and donít go. Root for another team. Quit being a fan of Major League Baseball. I donít know what the answer is but the Nutting hate in Pittsburgh is EXHAUSTING. Just move on.

Iím not wasting my life being bitter over an owner. Frankly I like baseball way too much to notsupport my favorite team.

I don't go. Haven't stepped foot in that park since they declared a BRIDGE YEAR.  Watched maybe 2 games in its entirety last season.

Any intelligent person KNOWS what the answer is. And over the last 3 years, over one million people do as well. 2.5 million in attendance in 2015 to 1.465 million last year.

Congrats that you can look past one of the worst owners in sports. I commend you. The hate for Nutsac isn't the exhausting part at all. It's watching him scam the fans of Pittsburgh who deserve better.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on January 27, 2019, 01:01:49 PM
Well I like baseball too much to do that. He makes money if the attendance is 0. So obviously itís a personal decision but he doesnít care about your boycotts.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on January 27, 2019, 03:02:27 PM
Well I like baseball too much to do that. He makes money if the attendance is 0. So obviously itís a personal decision but he doesnít care about your boycotts.

Thanks Captain Obvious for telling me he doesn't care about the fan base in Pittsburgh because that's what I represent and am proud to be part of that fraternity. We are all well aware he only cares about profit and doing the bare minimum for the product on the field.

Keep churning out pup nights, fireworks, free tee shirts and bobble heads. Oh, and that $50 million dollar check that all owners received last year certainly made him care less about the fan base...if that's even possible lololol.

Enjoy a playoff caliber pitching staff paired with a powerless, mediocre batting lineup.

Go Nutting's Wallet!!!
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on January 27, 2019, 03:13:18 PM
So do you root for other teams or just decide that baseball isnít worth watching any longer because the system is ďbrokenĒ?
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on January 27, 2019, 03:28:32 PM
So do you root for other teams or just decide that baseball isnít worth watching any longer because the system is ďbrokenĒ?

I don't root for other teams, watch occasionally and the system isn't broken. All these owners are making money, some more than others.

They just had a revenue record for MLB in 2018 that totaled $10.3 BILLION. The league is as healthy as it's been in a long time. That's a big reason why small to mid market owners could care less about a salary cap. They are doing quite well without one.

Stick to the subject my man. Quit changing it. The discussion is on Nutsac and nothing else. He showed his cowardness yesterday by not showing up to PiratesFest and claiming he was on a business trip. No one wants to hear from the GM, manager or Connelly. Be a man and face the music.

Yinzers didn't like things that Rooney said but at least he spoke about it with the media and fans.  He didn't go hide after an underachieving season. Nutsac is a MANGINA.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: Nicky on January 28, 2019, 10:18:30 AM
Amazing to me that Hurdle left 10 wins on the field last year and basically gets a pass by the same folks who are lining up taking tickets to blame Nutting.  Pirates have put together some very workable role parts.  They have a really good staff, an above average back end of bullpen, OFs capable of posting big numbers when healthy, and actually got some good potential return for Cole/Cutch.  They obviously need a corner bat to come thru and to answer some middle infield questions. 

What I think most fans are looking for is a giant "splash" signing.  Maybe they're gonna surprise everybody with Manny or Harper  :o
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on January 29, 2019, 08:05:36 AM
All they want is Nutting to spend what they feel is an appropriate amount of money. Most would say about equal to Milwaukee or Cincinnati. What they fail to understand is that spending the extra $50mil/year is hardly a prerequisite for winning. The Reds will prove that in 2019.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: hs on January 29, 2019, 09:36:03 AM
Amazing to me that Hurdle left 10 wins on the field last year and basically gets a pass by the same folks who are lining up taking tickets to blame Nutting.  Pirates have put together some very workable role parts.  They have a really good staff, an above average back end of bullpen, OFs capable of posting big numbers when healthy, and actually got some good potential return for Cole/Cutch.  They obviously need a corner bat to come thru and to answer some middle infield questions. 

What I think most fans are looking for is a giant "splash" signing.  Maybe they're gonna surprise everybody with Manny or Harper  :o


I know several of us on here were constantly calling out Hurdle for his constant horrible lineups. He definitely has never gotten a pass from me
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on January 29, 2019, 07:32:25 PM
All they want is Nutting to spend what they feel is an appropriate amount of money. Most would say about equal to Milwaukee or Cincinnati. What they fail to understand is that spending the extra $50mil/year is hardly a prerequisite for winning. The Reds will prove that in 2019.

So if the Pirates win more games than the Reds, do you think that justifies not spending money? Why not compare the Brewers to the Pirates? Compare the Royals to the Pirates? How about the Indians?

Those are all comparable markets that their owners took full advantage of opportunities TO TRY TO WIN. The Royals won a World Series and lost in another. The Tribe lost in Game 7 to the Cubs and have won their division the last 3 years since the announcement of the infamous BRIDGE YEAR by the Pirates.

Let's talk about Milwaukee. The Brewers owner recognized an opportunity after winning 86 games with a $68 million dollar payroll in 2017.  What did the owner do in 2018? Allowed his GM to make shrewd moves like acquiring Yellich, Cain and Chacin either by trade or free agency. Payroll soared to $109 million and they won the NL Central with 96 wins last year and advanced to the NLCS losing to LA in 7 games.  Now they grab a catcher for $18 million this year to shore up a weakness.  Payroll up to $114 million.

What did the Pirates do after winning 82 games in 2018 with a $91 million dollar payroll? They signed jabroni's like Gonzalez, Chisenhall and Lyles and DECREASED their 2019 payroll to $59 million.

Now just stop and think about what the Brewers and Pirates have done over the last couple years. One owner wants to win...increased payroll by $41 million...while the other wants PROFIT...decreased payroll by $32 million. I beg anyone to justify what I just laid out.

Whomever defends this clown owner is either related, drank the koolade or isn't a fan of the Pirates. But if you are a fan of the Pirates and defend this owner, you are simply unable to see the forest through the trees.

Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on January 29, 2019, 08:16:32 PM
The Brewers payroll is about the exact same as the Pirates in total over the past 5 years.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on January 29, 2019, 09:28:54 PM
The Royals are the fair argument to "what could have been" but please quit putting the Cleveland Indians on a pedestal. The only reason that they are not Pirates 2.0 is the one World Series appearance. Since then their success can be attributed to a 20 game winning streak in 2017 and playing in the worst division in baseball in 2018 (a division that the 2018 Pirates probably win). Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on January 29, 2019, 09:32:12 PM
The Brewers payroll is about the exact same as the Pirates in total over the past 5 years.

Is this Huntington? Sure sounds like the dribble we hear from the GM. What does this quote above have anything to do with my FACTS I provided in my previous post?

It's comical to read replies like this, it really is.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on January 29, 2019, 09:44:31 PM
The Royals are the fair argument to "what could have been" but please quit putting the Cleveland Indians on a pedestal. The only reason that they are not Pirates 2.0 is the one World Series appearance. Since then their success can be attributed to a 20 game winning streak in 2017 and playing in the worst division in baseball in 2018 (a division that the 2018 Pirates probably win). Nothing to see here.

Yea, nothing to see here. In 2017, Cleveland had a $132 million dollar payroll (up from $105 million in 2016) compared to $98 million for the Pirates. Last year, it was $143 million for the Tribe and $91 million for the Pirates.

If you want to minimize their accomplishments, go ahead if that makes you feel better. I'm talking payroll in comparable markets. I never put the Tribe on your so called pedestal. All I did was provide facts to support my statement.  What a wild strategy and concept.

And the Indians could be the Pirates 2.0 without a World Series appearance? That's laughable and ridiculous. Even if you took that World Series out to fit your narrative, they've won 3 straight division titles. I don't want to hear about their division. The Pirates are still searching for their first division title since 1992.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on January 30, 2019, 07:04:15 AM
The "who cares about the division" would only make sense if they were gang bangers in the playoffs, but just look back they have now lost 6 straight playoff games in the Wild Card round meaning plain and simple if math is not your strong suit two Wild Card series losses.

They are basically the Pirates without the Cardinals and Cubs in their division. And while pitching has been their strong suit they are actively shopping both Kluber and Bauer because of...PAYROLL. Odds are Kluber is a Dodger by opening day. Bauer probably by the deadline I would guess
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on January 30, 2019, 07:39:47 AM
When youíre blaming Nutting for worrying about profit the FACT that Milwaukee and Pittsburgh have similar accumulated payrolls over the last five years is fairly relevant. Because you know when Milwaukee has a $65mil payroll over the course of two or three years Iím sure he was taking it in too.

Goes back to show you what I believe. The real issue is Huntington not being good at identifying hitters in the draft and overvaluing his own prospects. Or Hurdle being passive aggressive with making lineups to get a rise out of the media or certain players he doesnít favor.

The owner is not doing anything other owners arenít. Please get over it.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on January 30, 2019, 05:18:30 PM
YIG, you are completely missing my point. The Tribe ownership recognized an opportunity to win.  They increased payroll and signed guys like Encarnacion to a 3 yr/$60 million dollar deal, traded for guys like Andrew Miller and it helped them win.  THAT'S MY POINT. I don't care about their division. I care about a commitment to WIN.

Baldwintrack, I can't help you. For whatever reason, you are as worried about Nutting's wallet as he is. He is a BILLIONAIRE.  Milwaukee was in rebuild mode for a couple years and then after the 86 win season, their owner has allowed his management team to make some great moves with a huge bump in payroll. Your 5 year fact is relevant because it fits your narrative. Unfortunately, it's irrelevant NOW.

Read this article on the Brewers owner. Nutting should be doing the same but he's not nor will he EVER. I'll get over it when he acts like a sports owner and not a frugal ass hat.

https://dairylandexpress.com/2019/01/13/milwaukee-brewers-owners-proving-willing-pay/
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: emm8 on January 30, 2019, 10:02:35 PM

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Congrats on the win! Who cares bout Louisville anyhows? They make bats down there...big deal! Everyone knows this town donít buy no bats! 😉   ;D
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on January 31, 2019, 10:03:36 AM
Bf,

Not missing the point. You seem to be moving the bar on success. That is why I concede KC (build much like the Pirates, see a legit two or three year opportunity, then go all-in, make two World Series appearances and winning one, then dismantling). I think most Pirates fans would rather see that than what feels like a baseball purgatory of sorts.

But the Indians "commitment to winning" I guess is relative to how well it fits your narrative. I loved the Miller trade and that definitely put them over three years ago (not only performance, but his acquisition was a morale booster as well). And they have had more inspired acquisitions than the Pirates I'm sure. But their results have not been great. The strength of division is absolutely relative (if the Pirates would have been able to avoid one game playoffs they may two time World Series champions). The Tribe has not done much with their easy division fortune, not unlike the Keystone Conference Champion losing to the Parkway #4 back a decade ago. The teams that the Pirates lost to all made World Series runs if I'm not mistaken.

The irony of your messaging is that here in Cleveland fans see Dolan in the same light as Nutting. Cheap. Only cared about profit. Will never do what it takes to win. Also, fans here have had the same trajectory in their feelings of their manager as Buccos fans do. Like Hurdle, Francona got off to a tremendous start, kind of peaked early, but then lost fans' confidence that they cannot get over the hump with Francona. Fans are irrational, period.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on January 31, 2019, 12:36:33 PM
Bf,

Not missing the point. You seem to be moving the bar on success. That is why I concede KC (build much like the Pirates, see a legit two or three year opportunity, then go all-in, make two World Series appearances and winning one, then dismantling). I think most Pirates fans would rather see that than what feels like a baseball purgatory of sorts.

But the Indians "commitment to winning" I guess is relative to how well it fits your narrative. I loved the Miller trade and that definitely put them over three years ago (not only performance, but his acquisition was a morale booster as well). And they have had more inspired acquisitions than the Pirates I'm sure. But their results have not been great. The strength of division is absolutely relative (if the Pirates would have been able to avoid one game playoffs they may two time World Series champions). The Tribe has not done much with their easy division fortune, not unlike the Keystone Conference Champion losing to the Parkway #4 back a decade ago. The teams that the Pirates lost to all made World Series runs if I'm not mistaken.

The irony of your messaging is that here in Cleveland fans see Dolan in the same light as Nutting. Cheap. Only cared about profit. Will never do what it takes to win. Also, fans here have had the same trajectory in their feelings of their manager as Buccos fans do. Like Hurdle, Francona got off to a tremendous start, kind of peaked early, but then lost fans' confidence that they cannot get over the hump with Francona. Fans are irrational, period.

Cleveland fans need to deal with Nutting then if they feel Dolan is cheap.  These facts below blow that thought process out of Lake Erie's waters:

Let's break down these two teams since 2015 with payroll and records:

                            Cleveland                                 Pittsburgh
                                       
2015:                   81-80 ($77m)                           98-64 ($99m)

2016:                   94-67 ($106m)                         78-83 ($99m)

2017:                  102-60 ($132m)                        75-87 ($98m)

2018:                   91-71 ($143m)                         82-79 ($91m)

Please explain to me where the "cheapness" comes into play for the last three years with the Indians?  There's no narrative here with these comparable markets.  These are real numbers above to support my point.  The ownership in Cleveland recognized an opportunity to win big and came within one run of a World Series, losing 8-7 in Game 7 while winning 3 straight division titles.  The strength of the division has ZERO to do with an owner's willingness and commitment to spend money and provide management the freedom to do their job and put the best possible product on the field. 

The Pirates owner?  He took a 98 win team in 2015 and then declared a BRIDGE YEAR going with stiffs and cheaper guys in 2016 rather than trying to get over the hump.  It was a total joke and started the lack of trust with the fan base.  Keep kicking the can down the road, decrease payroll and soaking up profits along the way has been the direction of this franchise in the last 3 years. 
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on January 31, 2019, 05:01:55 PM
you have real issues, man. If you really didnít care you wouldnít hate Nutting so much.

Canít you just enjoy the fact you have a team to root for?
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on January 31, 2019, 05:30:48 PM
you have real issues, man. If you really didnít care you wouldnít hate Nutting so much.

Canít you just enjoy the fact you have a team to root for?

Nice rebuttal above to the FACTS I provided in comparing the Tribe to the Pirates. Speaks volumes lolol....

I have issues?  That's funny...no sir, you are either naive or completely clueless when it comes to this subject.  And of course I care! Have been a Pirate fan my whole life. I care a great deal. That's what makes it so frustrating to see what is going on.

I guess the one million people that stopped going over the last 3 years have issues as well, right?

What you have is a fan base that is fed up with your boy. Your last sentence above is well, ridiculous and moronic to ask a fan base to overlook an owner, who doesn't care about winning and is making tons of money, and expect us just to show up and act like there's nothing wrong.

You've already stated before you're not a Pirate fan and simply enjoy going to games.  So I'm not sure how you can just tell someone who has been a fan since he was a kid to ignore the lies, deception and manipulation that has gone on with ownership and management and enjoy the team.

I'll start enjoying the team I follow when they become a major league organization and not a Mickey Mouse organization.

Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on January 31, 2019, 05:40:41 PM
Well you arenít a fan if your being a happy or satisfied fan has conditions.

Winning is not a condition of being a fan in my opinion.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on January 31, 2019, 06:14:40 PM
Well you arenít a fan if your being a happy or satisfied fan has conditions.

Winning is not a condition of being a fan in my opinion.

What the f--- does this mean? Your post is maybe the stupidest thing I've ever read. And God knows, I've read a lot of moronic things in my life. The last sentence is nothing I have stated in anyway whatsoever. Sharpen up.

I wasn't aware you set the rules and guidelines on how a fan should act and think lololol smfh. I thought living in this beautiful place called the United States provided me the freedom to be a fan how I choose to be one.

Let's just stop this nonsense. We will agree to disagree. However, I'm right and you are well, not.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on February 01, 2019, 11:27:42 AM
Picking the Indians playoff teams vs the Pirates non-playoff teams doesn't prove much of anything unless you actually think that Dolan will not cut payroll again and will just keep adding.

Pirates if you look back did add payroll every year 2012 (non-playoff), 2013, 2014, and 2015 (all playoff) then cut payroll during their bridge/reload/rebuild/whatever you want to call 2016-present. Did the 2013-2015 Pirates do enough? Obviously not. Have the Indians done enough these past three years? Obviously not.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on February 01, 2019, 10:47:10 PM
Picking the Indians playoff teams vs the Pirates non-playoff teams doesn't prove much of anything unless you actually think that Dolan will not cut payroll again and will just keep adding.

Pirates if you look back did add payroll every year 2012 (non-playoff), 2013, 2014, and 2015 (all playoff) then cut payroll during their bridge/reload/rebuild/whatever you want to call 2016-present. Did the 2013-2015 Pirates do enough? Obviously not. Have the Indians done enough these past three years? Obviously not.

Lord, let's try this again. I started with the 2015 season where the Pirates clearly outperformed the Tribe, made the playoffs and spent $22 million more. Then what happened? The Tribe jumped $30 million in payroll while the Pirates declared a BRIDGE YEAR and stayed the same with payroll. The rest over the last 3 years is history.

And to suggest the Indians haven't done enough the last 3 years is comical. They've won 3 division titles and lost 8-7 in Game 7 in the World Series in 2017. The Pirates never won a playoff series in those 3 playoff seasons. Pirates fans would have loved that kind of success.

Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on February 02, 2019, 09:09:03 AM
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And to suggest the Indians haven't done enough the last 3 years is comical. They've won 3 division titles and lost 8-7 in Game 7 in the World Series in 2017. The Pirates never won a playoff series in those 3 playoff seasons. Pirates fans would have loved that kind of success.

After their 2016 World Series appearance they have totaled two playoff wins (none of which were vs Madison Baungartner or Jake Arietta). They have hardly built off of their 2016 success. I realize that you're not an Indians expert, nor am I. But I do live here and hear the day to day gripes from their fans, and their rhetoric about their own team, whether rational or irrational, mirrors your more so than BT's. Their trajectory has been very much like the Pirates' in many ways (their new manager being a huge improvement over their previous manager, giving the team instant improvement, making the playoffs, capturing the imaginations of their fans with their first big years - the Pirates making the NLDS and losing to the Cards but giving hope for the near future; the Indians going on that World Series run to game 7 vs the Cubs - then kind of plateauing while spending more money every year, having regular season success but not being able to really win anything).

I'm not getting into a last word battle with you. This is the last that I am posting on this. I am not going to use hyperbole (saying something like you love James Dolan) or assuming that you are or aren't a fan of the Pirates. I am maybe incorrectly assuming that you are not a fan of the Indians (if you are, congrats on your three straight division titles), but your rhetoric would not match that of hardly any Indians fan that I know, let's put it that way. Before this thread you probably didn't know or care who James Dolan is, much like other MLB fans probably don't know or care who Bob Nutting is.

Simply put, by choosing to use the Pirates post-playoff payroll vs. the Indians playoff era payroll as an exhibit to declare the 2016-present Indians as a model franchise compared to the Pirates 2013-2015, you have painted yourself into needing all of this to happen to win this argument:
1. the Indians the first year that they miss the playoffs spend more than the previous year
2. this one is more conditional, but they win another division but fire Terry Francona (or fire Francona mid-season) because they feel that they could do better with their given talent
3. the Indians do not trade Cory Kluber or Trevor Bauer unless it is a baseball trade, recovering MLB ready talent, not a salary dump for picks or prospects.

OR

1. they make it to another World Series either during this run of consecutive division titles or the year after their future playoff miss which would mean getting over that AL East + Houston hump and indicating that they just need a retool, not unlike how quickly the Cardinals or Red Sox seem to be able to retool after a down year.

I just don't buy your moving the goal posts to winning a bad AL Central, especially in 2018 when a number of teams (including the Pirates but namely the Rays, Mariners, Cardinals, Nats, Phillies, and Dbacks) probably feel that they could have won that division given their schedule and total lack of success of everyone else in that division and the Indians relative lack of success (91 wins). However, the first three things listed gives you that out (settling for division crowns and little other success).

Good luck!
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on February 02, 2019, 12:35:24 PM
Wow dude did you just overanalyze an elementary discussion into a Calculus final exam with your scenarios that are needed to happen for me to win this argument that I simply considered a healthy sports debate about the difference in ownership.

My last post as well.  No, I'm not a fan of the Indians by the way.

I presented facts about an owner, in the same market size, who provided his management team after an 81 win season in 2015 to go out and significantly improve the product on the field. The other team after a 98 win season in the same year decided the opposite route.

That's all I was saying.  Nothing more, nothing less than that. Nothing about weak divisions or lack of playoff success, topics that became your driving point with this discussion.

Why is it that hard to understand the Pirates have an owner that will NEVER display that kind of financial freedom for his GM? 82 wins last year and payroll DECREASES by 30 plus million.

That's it. I'm done with this stupid ass Indians/Pirates success comparison. Good luck to you as well.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on February 04, 2019, 04:56:57 PM
Pirates bringing back Liriano for 1.8 million on a minor league deal with incentives if he makes the MLB roster. 
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on February 06, 2019, 08:22:16 AM
MLB and the players union have discussed the following changes.  I'm sure some of this will upset purists (DH in both leagues, pitch clock) and some should make people in this area happy (penalizing losing teams in draft pick area).

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25935056/mlb-players-discussing-rule-changes-alter-game

A three-batter minimum for pitchers

A universal designated hitter

A single trade deadline before the All-Star break

A 20-second pitch clock

The expansion of rosters to 26 men, with a 12-pitcher maximum

Draft advantages for winning teams and penalties for losing teams

A study to lower the mound

A rule that would allow two-sport amateurs to sign major league contracts

Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on February 06, 2019, 08:38:52 PM
The three batter minimum is ridiculous.

Other than that I donít think Iíd mind seeing any of those things.

To speed up the game Iíd go more towards banning batting gloves.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: hs on February 06, 2019, 09:08:30 PM
IMO, lowering the mound would be counter productive. They want to shorten games if I'm not mistaken. Lowering the mound would generate more offense which would make the game longer IMO.

Instead of a 3 batter minimum, how about shortening a pitcher's time to warm up. He has been warming up in the bullpen for who knows how long. Come out to the mound, throw 2 pitches and start the game

I like a designated hitter. Watching most pitchers hit is unbearable

And I personally don't think any umpire would enforce a 20 second pitch clock
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: coach99 on February 06, 2019, 10:42:05 PM
If you want to truly speed up the game..just use the rules for fast pitch softball :)
BTW...the longer games is due to the fact that most games are televised and they want the time between innings, etc for commercials ..just like how tv has screwed up football games with all the tv time outs or Ads. Have to actually go to see a game is brutal sitting so long with no action while they wait for ad to end. 
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: hs on February 07, 2019, 05:00:50 AM
The three batter minimum is ridiculous.

Other than that I donít think Iíd mind seeing any of those things.

To speed up the game Iíd go more towards banning batting gloves.


This goes to my point on the 20 second pitch clock. There is a rule now that they are not supposed to step out of the batters box between pitches but it is not enforced. I'd love to see the first MLB ump to call a strike on a batter that goes too slow to get in the batters box or call a ball on a pitcher that goes over the 20 second pitch clock.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bfgrad on February 08, 2019, 10:54:59 PM
1 pitch rules would make the games go really fast!

Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: Bob.Gregg.WJPA.Radio on February 12, 2019, 02:05:30 PM
If you want to truly speed up the game..just use the rules for fast pitch softball :)
BTW...the longer games is due to the fact that most games are televised and they want the time between innings, etc for commercials ..just like how tv has screwed up football games with all the tv time outs or Ads. Have to actually go to see a game is brutal sitting so long with no action while they wait for ad to end.

And while I certainly understand the frustration of waiting with no action, that's how you get to watch home & road games---the commercials.
Back when there used to be a red light turned on in the penalty box of NHL games, Penguins fans around my seats would yell:  "TURN OUT THE LIGHT. LET'S GO."
Finally, not being able to keep my mouth shut, I had the following exchange with one of the loudest, most-regular complainants:
ME:  Do you like to watch the Penguins game when they're on the road?
HIM:  Of course, I do.  What kind of question is that?
ME:  Do you know that for every road game the Penguins televise, there's one of those RED LIGHTS in the penalty box?
HIM:  I guess, so what?
ME:  Do you know, while we're sitting here with that RED LIGHT on, folks watching on TV are seeing a sponsor's commercial?
HIM:  So?
ME:  THAT'S how you get to watch Penguins games on the road.  The RED LIGHT holds play so tv can play commercials which pay for you to be able to watch.
HIM:  You don't know what you're talking about.
ME:  Okay.

And, every time I see Frank, we start off with him saying, "You were right, Bob."
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on February 16, 2019, 10:27:49 AM
Harper and Machado still being available is pretty ridiculous.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on February 19, 2019, 01:06:19 PM
Harper and Machado still being available is pretty ridiculous.

Machado to Padres for 10 years 300 million. 
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on February 20, 2019, 03:45:49 PM
Josh Harrison signs a 1 year deal with Detroit.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on February 24, 2019, 04:07:20 PM
Lang hit 2 HR today.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: Nicky on February 28, 2019, 03:25:05 PM
13 years, $330M.  Bryce Harper to Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on February 28, 2019, 04:19:08 PM
13 years, $330M.  Bryce Harper to Philadelphia.

That's lower per year than most expected and lower than Machado and Arenado.  I guess the 13 years is what he wanted, and that is a crazy length for a contract.  Philly better hope this pans out or they will be digging themselves a financial hole. 
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on February 28, 2019, 05:55:37 PM
It's as if the Phillies have completely forgotten why they had to rebuild in the first place.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: hs on March 01, 2019, 05:35:22 AM
It is being reported that the Giants offered a 12 year, 310 million dollar contract and the Dodgers offered 4 years at 45 million per year but Harper wanted more to go to California because of the taxes
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on March 02, 2019, 05:40:07 PM
It's as if the Phillies have completely forgotten why they had to rebuild in the first place.

Agreed lol. Harper to boot is IMO very much overrated (I honestly sometimes believe that his accomplishments are somehow confused with those of Mike Trout because of their similar age). The Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, and maybe even the Angels can stomach that kind of contract, but a lot is going to have to happen for this deal to pan out.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: Downriver on March 04, 2019, 03:24:55 PM
Had to laugh.  First baseball preseason power ratings came out and the comment by the Pirates was "Hopefully Bob Nutting puts the team up for sale soon. Yinzers deserve better".
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bftigers on March 04, 2019, 03:36:51 PM
Had to laugh.  First baseball preseason power ratings came out and the comment by the Pirates was "Hopefully Bob Nutting puts the team up for sale soon. Yinzers deserve better".

DR, if us Pirate fans were only that lucky.  It will never happen.  Hell, he is going to eventually hand it over to his children.  Depressing as hell for sure.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bfgrad on March 07, 2019, 05:36:02 PM
Cole Tucker hits 2 long home runs, the 2nd a game-winner breaking a 4-4 tie with Balt.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on March 14, 2019, 04:06:45 PM
Baseball has approved some rule changes for this year and next year.  The big one for next year is that a relief pitcher must face 3 batters minimum now.  They will also tweek how the rosters can expand come September. 

For this year the only noteworthy thing is there will be 1 single trade deadline. 

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26259301/mlb-tweaks-some-rules-now-more-coming-20
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bfgrad on March 14, 2019, 05:40:08 PM
MLB and MLBPA are also beginning talks on a new CBA. A couple of agenda items will probably not sit well with the Pirates like "the manipulation of service time that keeps the best prospects in the minor leagues to begin a season, the luxury-tax threshold that some believe discourages spending, and the gathering of biometric data that has become commonplace among major league teams."

TBH, I think some of the changes like RPs having to face 3 batters or fewer if the RP closes out an inning in fewer than 3 batters (for ex, comes in with runner on 1st, gets DP, then next batter) will just return the game to closer to what it was before all the fantasy stats took it over.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on March 14, 2019, 07:57:07 PM
The "manipulation of service time" issue is a pretty much all teams issue, not just a Pirates issue.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on March 14, 2019, 08:07:17 PM
Blue Jays doing it to Vlad Guerrero Jr as they are looking for any excuse to keep him off the MLB roster.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: Bob.Gregg.WJPA.Radio on March 15, 2019, 12:58:11 PM
The Cubs tried with Kris Bryant until his numbers were just so strong they had to bring him up.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bfgrad on March 16, 2019, 07:45:42 AM
It was pretty amusing during last evening's game vs TB to hear Brown et al heap praise on the Pirates' bullpen aces, then see them all proceed to blow a 4 run lead resulting in a tie game final.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on March 18, 2019, 10:43:53 AM
Pirates names KANG as starter at 3rd and Gonzalez starter at SS to open the season.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bfgrad on March 18, 2019, 07:31:32 PM
I wonder if they'll try to move Colin Moran since it appears Ke'Bryan Hayes is close to major league ready. Bucs will be the 2nd team where Moran has lost the 3B job to a better player.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: BALDWINTRACK on March 18, 2019, 07:51:58 PM
Iíd prefe to keep Moran around for a year or two as a bench option. Lang doesnít play more than 3 days in a row. So he will start probably close to 50 games.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: yannessa_is_god on March 19, 2019, 06:23:15 PM
I'm not even sure what the market would be for Moran, but I would agree with keeping him.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: KidRaven on March 19, 2019, 07:22:13 PM
Trout isnít going anywhere soon as he signs an extension with the Angels. He is locked up for the next 12 years at 430 million total. 
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: coach99 on March 20, 2019, 10:17:36 AM
seeing all these huge lifetime contracts...have these owners never heard of Bobby Bonnea (sp) who has not played in decades, but gets a million dollars every year.
Title: Re: Pirates Off-Season 2018 to 2019
Post by: bfgrad on March 20, 2019, 10:44:36 AM
To me, the NHL has the best salary system. They have both a salary floor and a hard cap where a player can receive no more than 20% of the salary cap number and a follow-on contract can be no longer than 7 or 8 years depending on the player's eligibility. This helps spread the money around and still ensures the top stars get paid. Min and max salaries have increased every year since the salary cap/floor was implemented. Entry level contracts are all exactly the same. All contracts are guaranteed as well.

MLB owners and MLBPA would do well to use the NHL/NHLPA contract as a template for their upcoming CBA negotiations.